I hate to say it, but regardless of one’s stance, on his back should be “Public perception of Fukushima, Chernobyl, and 3-mile Island.”
I say regardless of one’s stance, because even if the public’s perceptions are off…when we remember those incidents but not how much time was in between them or the relative infrequency of disasters, they can have outsized effects on public attitude.
Did we ever figure out toxic waste disposal?
Totally. Tinpot dictators getting nukes is nothing to worry about. And the waste can just be handwaved away. After all, they have a storage facility in Finland that will probably come online in a couple of years. Problem solved.
The waste is a fair point - storage isn’t a long term solution but then I suppose it can be managed in the interim, not like the effects of climate change.
I’m not seeing your point of “nukes” though?
I still prefer 47 grams of nuclear waste over 1950 Kg of coal pollution in the air.
That is for the same amount of energy.
More nuclear plants means more capacity and diversification in supply chains, i.e. it’s easier to acquire technology and supplies through dark channels. That will lead to more proliferation. Where do you think North Korea got its nukes? The answer is Pakistan, by the way.
Renewables are better, cheaper and more scalable. Its not even close. Look at Denmark for how it can be done.
Nah renewables are the best we’ve got
Just because it’s safe doesn’t mean it’s the best we have right now.
- It’s massively expensive to set up
- It’s massively expensive to decommission at end of life
- Almost half of the fuel you need to run them comes from a country dangerously close to Russia. (This one is slightly less of a thing now that Russia has bogged itself down in Ukraine)
- It takes a long time to set up.
- It has an image problem.
A combination of solar, wind, wave, tidal, more traditional hydro and geothermal (most of the cost with this is digging the holes. We’ve got a lot of deep old mines that can be repurposed) can easily be built to over capacity and or alongside adequate storage is the best solution in the here and now.
Nuclear waste is still an unsolved problem that absolutely no one wants to touch with a ten foot pole. Also nuclear power is a pretty expensive method of power generation and can’t be insured, leaving all risk of disaster on the shoulders of society. To be clear: society will be pretty fucked when a nuclear disaster happens anyway.
It’s a lot better than coal, though.
Storage of nuclear waste is a solved problem. It’s unbelievable that people say it’s not.
Edit here https://youtu.be/lhHHbgIy9jU
You posted a 18 min Youtube video, sponsored or at least supported and sanctioned by a nuclear power plant operator.
At least point to the section of the video where the source of your claim is.
Digging hole. Problem solved.
Nuclear waste is a much smaller problem than most people think. The waste is very little and can be stored underground for eons without much risk.
Yes it exist for a long time, but one kilo of uranium produces as much energy as 16 ton coal, and leaves behind 47 grams of nuclear waste.
I could not find the 47 grams figure on the page you linked, where is that stated exactly?
World Nuclear Association’s mission is to facilitate the growth of the nuclear sector by connecting players across the value chain,
I would not ca that trustworthy. There not even close to independent.
I like your pitch black humour.
@spicytuna62 It’s not the best we got. The best we got is to stop the wasteful overproduction and stop letting society being about building building building.
We should rather reframe society into being about growing and localizing the economy. Focusing on living with nature, not at it’s expense.
Agreed. Developing countries need clean and affordable energy
But we don’t really have it now, which is the main problem. In the time it takes to build these things (also for the money it takes), we could plaster everything full with renewables and come up with a decentralized storage solution. Plus, being dependent on Kazachstan for fissile material seems very… stupid?
lol nuclear is really uneconommical, way too expensive and therefore really inefficient. You need 10-20 years to build a plant for energy 3 times more expensive than wind. For plants that still require mining. That produce waste we cannot store and still cannot reuse (except for one small test plant). For plants that no insurance company want to insure and energy companies dont like to build without huge government subsidies.
I know lemmy and reddit have a hard on for nuclear energy because people who dont know anything about it think its cool. But this post is ridiculous even for lemmy standards.
Where the fuck we gonna put all the waste product? I’m not saying nuclear power is bad, far from it, but we have two problems here:
- Its cost prohibitive to build new Third Generation reactors that are fault tolerant, and moreso to assure that all the Second Generation reactors are fully fault tolerant given how adjacent they are to flood plains and fault lines in the US
- Where the fuck are we gonna put the waste at? Yucca Mountain is off the table for good, WIPP is nearing capacity for a pilot plant, and we have nothing like Onkalo planned out despite the funding being there many times over
Thats not even funny. It’s not even a meme. It’s just straight outright corporate propaganda. F off with that, Pinkerton!
It’s unsafe, not renewable, not independent from natural resources (which might not be present in your country, so you need to buy from dictators) and last but not least crazy expensive.
It’s not renewable, but known reserves will power the world for a century, based solely on current average efficiency and not modern improvements
AFAIK in the USA, nuclear energy is the safest per unit energy generated. Solar is more “dangerous” simply because you can fall off a roof.
Nuclear energy has huge risks and potential for safety issues, yes. But sticking to the numbers, it is extremely safe.
Need to buy from dictators?
I didn’t realize Australia and Canada who has highest uranium reserves are dictators. Canada also used to be highest uranium producer until relatively recently.
There is no need. Though Kazakhstan and Russia may be cheapest if you’re near there.
