I found I2P much better than Tor network, and now it supports BitTorrent protocol too https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/bittorrent .
Why haven’t the pirates migrated to I2P? Why are we still using clearnet and making people backout of seeding cause of DMCA?
The main reason is that
libtorrent, which is the literal backbone of most torrenting clients, has implemented supported for I2P only recently in its latest v2.x branch… It takes time forlibtorrentto iron out bugs and stablize and it takes more for clients to upgrade their embeddedlibtorrentto v2.x.Probably mostly cause:
- Slow speed unless you you keep your router 24/7
- People are used to download torrents fast
- Clearnet has much bigger torrent database
- if you configure your node correctly, you won’t see much difference in bandwidth.
- i2psnark can be fast.
- but clearnet comes with an issue of tracking.
I think your response answers the question.
If configured correctly. Can be fast. IMO, once those statements are less conditional and prone to error, we might see the pro of privacy carry more weight.
People don’t understand sometimes how much of a tech-ethusiast bubble we got going on here
How so. Only idea what I can get is reduce number of hops.
Of course. Your idea is THE idea. You CANNOT get mass adoption without a minimal amount of hops. You won’t get the hordes of pirates running around reading wikis on how to configure their router for piracy and how to get an i2p provider and how to get an index etc.
Torrenting right now is so broadly adopted because you just download a Torrenting client, click the magnet, click OK and you’re good to go.
If you HAD to set up port forwarding, some magnet handling register in windows preferences, just those two would stop the bulk majority of pirates. And that’s not even 1/4 of what you have to do to use i2p correctly.
Why is it in Java??
3 billion devices run Java.
Hmm. What more can you tell me about these 3 billion devices? Are they in the room with us?
There is a more performant C++ implementation but it’s been a long while since I’ve used either it or the java implementation. Worth checking out.
I would like I2P to be implemented as a default by pirates, but it looks like people (including myself) are lazy
Yeah, I just can’t be bothered to switch when torrenting works fine as is.
And in almost all cases is faster.
It’s not really a hassle to configure your i2p node. I2p network recently went through a DDOS attack. Even during that point of time I had no issue surfing/torrenting.
Ah, I meant that there isn’t enough content on I2P because people are lazy to switch. For example, I torrent Asian media (using nyaa) and the last time I tried using I2P, I didn’t find a lot of what I wanted. Hence I decided to go for a seedbox.
Cheers
Yeah that’s one big hurdle to get past sadly, it’s like getting people to switch to a new chat app “no ones on it I talk to so I’m not bothering”
From what I have read on the upcoming implementation on i2p in qbit, I do not forsee it being adopted by the core torrent user base. The main issue I have with it is that while you can download from clearnet peers, you are only able to seed to other i2p peers. This completely eliminates any adoption by anyone using private trackers. Its not like the guys in brazil are going to jump through an extra hoop to hide their ip since they never needed to in the first place, so they can be ruled out for adoption as well. What I really fear is that its going to create a completely unnecessary schism in the userbase with a sort of ‘leechnet’ walled garden of i2p users which would hurt the greater availability of seeders. I also haven’t gotten a straight answer from anyone how ports are going to work in i2p, since normally its imperative to have a forwarded port in order to be a full participant. Unless i2p users can seed to clearnet users without issue, I am going to be worried about the impact on torrent health as a whole.
Because people believe a VPN or a seedbox is gonna save them from legal repercussions. They paid for it with their real information and credit card too, for convenience. They compromised their private tracker identity and must abandon the trackers the moment the legal landscape incentives companies to pursue individual copyright infringements. But most probably won’t, and face the consequences if that ever happens.
The more people who use I2P for relatively normal reasons like piracy, the safer it is for people who want to avoid censorship.
Its reputation of Dread bezo addicts is probably why nobody uses it unfortunately
real answer? im way too stupid to figure out how the hell to use it. i spent 3 straight days trying to get it working a couple years ago with no luck.
I was in the same circumstances when I started. But then I asked around which helped me properly configure it.
2 main issues with it:
Too slow for the average user. A lot less torrents available.
I think non technical people find the concept of a network within a network confusing. I think its more of i2p itself.
I do think it is the future of filesharing and if I was to create a torrent I’d use i2p. Hopefully with more clients implementing support it sees further adoption.
I do think it is the future of filesharing
In internet years, Torrenting is old. I2P is old. Even torrenting in I2P is old. Nothing about this is “the future”.
Ideally, the future of file sharing would involve a fully/natively integrated anonymous network with content-addressable distributed filesystem.
But this will probably not happen, as that architecture didn’t see large scale success before, except in Japan where at least some elements of this architecture are used in their popular P2P networks.
The I2P crowd themselves tried with Tahoe-LAFS, but that was never really a network, even aMule over I2P had more traction, and by traction I mean tens or hundreds of users, not thousands or beyond.
Ironically, the one content-addressable distributed filesystem that gained some attraction (outside Japan) is IPFS, which doesn’t offer anonymity, or replication, or anything special really. Yet for some reason, some hype-susceptible techies liked it, together with the NFT crowd, a great fit.
The future of file sharing will depend on where most content will land where it will be easily accessible and quickly grabbable. How those networks will look like? Nobody knows.
Because clearnet serves most of us just fine.
No it doesn’t, because that’s how you get caught
I wonder if someone in Somalia is worried about “getting caught” or if piracy out in the open works fine for them
I’ve been doing it for 20 years and have never been caught. I’ve never even heard of i2p until here just a couple of weeks ago. The fact that certain people are pushing it so hard and referring to standard methods in such a derogatory way makes me highly skeptical of trying it out.
Just because you haven’t been caught doesn’t mean https is suddenly a private way to pirate. It’s really not that complicated.
And just because there is some new method available doesn’t mean you’re retaining your privacy there either. I have a VPN to hide my IP and as far as I’m concerned that’s enough ‘privacy’ to avoid any issues.
What’s the worst that’ll happen, my ISP sends me a letter telling me to knock it off? You’re acting like this is some sort of top secret black ops mission in need of complete secrecy.
It’s not even prosecuted where I live. So I couldn’t care less if it’s clearnet or whether my IP address is public.
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