The fact they exist and got us nowhere near a unified working class movement.

They’re all sectarian and pointless. The party that takes us there will be formed by the popular working class movement

Pick up where Debs left off

Conservativism is rooted in vibes and feelings, and false narratives to support those feelings. This is why they hate knowledge and people who attain it.

It’s a disease of the mind, it’s like they would rather be animal than human

Seeing the news this isn’t even a matter of boycott but safety. Ice is not very discerning

Are you crying?

People got too used to being able to cosplay as oppressed victims of the state despite decades of minor policy changes between Democrat or Republican administrations.

All Americans got to enjoy conjuring any abstract worldview they wanted with the freedom of knowing they can say what they want whenever they want, never feel repression and just go home and watch tv. Maga got to pretend they were actively oppressed by the state which let’s them justify supporting real state oppression towards people they don’t like.

I imagine a lot of maga dorks voted for this, expected performative moves but a mostly stable continuity of the American center. I don’t know if they’ll ever admit it but I bet they are going to regret this president keeping his promises when they are stripped of all of their rights and their safety nets. The time for hyperbolics and hysterics are over, fascism is here, they are going to get ground down with the rest.

Brainwashed cult, and unfortunately we don’t have time to deprogram these people

Poor choice of words but I’ve seen it myself. Old divorced racist conservatives literally traveling to Thailand for wives. Their goal is to find subservient women that they can’t get at home. Nothing against the foreigners it’s more and indictment on the American

In general we give people who act stupid way too much credit, they’re actually just fucking stupid.

Conversely, we’re way too comfortable letting politicians play stupid instead of calling them out for their malicious intentions. And if the politician truly is stupid (Trump) there are handlers behind them pulling the strings

I find irony that they disregard expert opinions on the things they are experts for (climate scientists for example) but will accept an entire worldview of opinions based on someone being “smart” like the opinion of a software engineer has on philosophy or politics.

Reject the expert on the subject they’re an expert on because that makes them “elite” and they were trained to think that was bad, but accept an unfounded opinion of someone who may be smart in an unrelated field because the opinion is “different” so it must be “smart”

I think this is the trap all self assigned internet intellectuals fall into. They parrot opinions and vibes from echo chambers that discredit real science or real reporting and call it enlightenment. This in itself is stupid, but then even more stupid people are drawn in and suddenly we have a big club of geniuses

People asking if this is legal are missing the point. This is wrong, what is legal is whatever the executive decides, ICE can only be solved with constitunially supported extra judicial action.

Bobby hill

Never apologized for any of the myriad of things he’s done to piss off the world, must not like money that much

I don’t disagree with this, but even in your statement they had overwhelming support of proletariat. There will be no vanguard if we don’t have an organized, unionized, proletariat. So I still think as it stands we’re just waiting around for a small group of people to do the revolution and just accept their conception. Which would be a bad idea, which is why I think workers need to realize aspects of this world that is worth fighting for right now

We need to normalize not just starting worker owned and run co-ops, but taking over businesses and converting them to these co-ops.

Federate the co-ops, establish a shared workforce (one co-op goes under/not enough business at x? Come work at y) and have them become actual workers councils

The Marxist critiques of this are not lost on me, co-ops are not immune to exploitation and fool proof by virtue of existing under capitalism but I think we need them for two reasons:

Sitting around and waiting for a revolution from a small group of people with one idea of how to run things is a bad idea

We need to practice what actual day to day life will look like. I think the experiences and connections made will far outweigh all of the bookclubs, protests and other purely political avenues of organizing

It doesn’t need to be all central planning and state owned, it doesn’t all have to be zaney pure communal experimentation right from the start …people could just literally experience going to work at a normal job but feel the agency of having a say in their workplace, not live in fear of an overbearing boss, decide their wages, always have a place in case their job implodes or they become redundant (bounce to co-op y).

Small business people are every bit as insufferable as big business people

Tamarian

Oh they’re totally preparing to see how far they can invade us and how far in we’ll invite them in before fighting back

America is compromised, to what extent we know they aren’t our friends or what extent we are willingly letting them gain the advantage I am not sure. I think this administration is so full of useful idiots and paid off assets it doesn’t matter the end result is the same: no more allies, new “allies” that are poised to invade and win without support of the former allies

This is why the means to commit these atrocities should not exist. Evil will always exist no matter the framework or environment, good people can always be made to do bad things. You give the most oppressed and agrieved people the weapons, money, hierarchy and financial incentive to oppress and they will

That’s why I feel it’s so important to make a society that defaults to “morality” and limits the tools for harm without requiring utopian ideas of universal goodwill and altruism amongst all citizens to keep the system inherently good and altruistic

It takes a crazy amount of resources to set up a society be okay with torture, to shape media just right to allow apathy or ignorance, to wage wars and to gin up the support of these wars that require billions to wage.

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