We now know that the data collection in modern cars is out of control -- The question is, how does that data even leave your car? And what, if anything, can you do to stop it?
I like Aptera and have a couple of them pre-ordered but that’s nothing but a promise. They have plans to IPO. Zero chance their consumer-friendly approach survives that for very long.
They promised first deliveries before the end of 2022. The only thing they showed up with was a new prototype. There was no explanation given. No acknowledgement. They since pushed the delivery dates back 3 more times, each with no acknowledgement or explanation. Now they say late 2025. I am not hopeful.
Right, like if I want a tablet in my car I will just get a dash mount arm and throw whatever current gen tablet on it. I don’t need it as a part of the car.
Someone is bound to start selling conversion kits for regular cars eventually - turn your 20 year old gas dinosaur into a zippy EV or hybrid, no spyware required. We can already do it with two-wheelers, and Edison Motors is well on their way to making kits to turn big trucks into hybrids.
Exactly right, they are all extremely complex mechanically and electronically. Engine and transmission technology have come a long way, and I guess the absurd complexity is the trade-off we got for the improvements
The complexity does no necessity locking diagnostic code away from consumers or small shops. The complexity does not necessity creating increasingly granular parts that don’t work between close models. The “improvements” are often just marketing hype or incremental nonsense. The infotainment centers on cars are a great example.
People are aguing about the reparability thing a lot. Current electric cars are less reparable, but that is by design. Car manufacturers are using electric as an excuse to make cars harder to repair. The reality is that electric motors and batteries are dead simple, they just add a bunch of techno bullshit to make them worse. Charging is bad right now, but that will improve with time, just like gas did when gas cars were new. I like cars, and hate seeing them being turned into what they are today, but there is nothing fundamentally different about electric cars to make them the piles of absolute garbage they are, (apart from battery technology not being great right now). 90% of the problems with electric cars are there by design, and I think everyone should buy a car that isn’t designed to suck, whether it’s gas, electric, steam, or fart powered.
Ive been fixing and repairing the same 04 Ford Focus for over 6 years. Its been legally totaled over 6 times, if you can find a hybrid that would be as easy to repair I’d love to see it.
Yes you can re-fuel it, ever heard of a gas can? While you’re waiting for your EV to charge on the side of the road I’m already off driving. I should have specified old dumb cars are more repairable.
As an owner of a plug-in hybrid this is patently incorrect. Most electric car owners have at most of 240 volt outlet (in the US), which while can fill your battery in a few hours from home, still falls short of the half hour round trip to gas station and back. Maybe with time our infrastructure and technology will get to that point though.
I was excited for EVs but it looks like I’ll be driving gasoline dinosaurs for the rest of my life.
Yup. Fearing the same as well. All I’m asking for is a car, not a Windows computer.
Are you retarded? How would you see where you are going if you can’t see.
What?
Sadly it seems our best bet would be to build it ourselves.
Aptera supports Right to Repair.,
Edison Motors has preorders for their pickup truck conversion kits as well if you need something bigger.
I like Aptera and have a couple of them pre-ordered but that’s nothing but a promise. They have plans to IPO. Zero chance their consumer-friendly approach survives that for very long.
Only slightly higher chance that they actually get to market too… Fingers crossed for 2025.
They promised first deliveries before the end of 2022. The only thing they showed up with was a new prototype. There was no explanation given. No acknowledgement. They since pushed the delivery dates back 3 more times, each with no acknowledgement or explanation. Now they say late 2025. I am not hopeful.
I wonder WHEN that “right” has been TAKEN?
Lets wake up for fuck sake and push back!
I’m imagining cars like Framework laptops and you can install an open source OS of your own choice to operate it.
beautiful
I literally had this thought the other day. I feel like car guys would love it too. A potential untapped market
Right, like if I want a tablet in my car I will just get a dash mount arm and throw whatever current gen tablet on it. I don’t need it as a part of the car.
Someone is bound to start selling conversion kits for regular cars eventually - turn your 20 year old gas dinosaur into a zippy EV or hybrid, no spyware required. We can already do it with two-wheelers, and Edison Motors is well on their way to making kits to turn big trucks into hybrids.
I tried this more than 15 years ago…
Besides money, batteries and a lot of effort you know why it did not work?
AUTHORITIES they would not “license” a converted car from gas to electric.
and YES the SAME AUTHORITIES that are saying now and pretend to care about environment and push all these EVs and Hybrids to “Save our Planet”
Fucking hypocrites!
That actually would be pretty cool. Especially mid sized SUVs that have AWD
It will have to be the older gasoline dinosaurs, all the ones today spy
Yes well, older gasoline cars are the only cars. That’s what I meant.
That’s a good thing, you can re-fuel it without having to find a dedicated charging spot and compared to EVs they are far more repairable.
Hurr, my 1000 piece gas engine transmission are easier to fix than an electric motor with literally 2 bearings!
No modern car by a major manufacture is easily repairable, ICE or EV.
Exactly right, they are all extremely complex mechanically and electronically. Engine and transmission technology have come a long way, and I guess the absurd complexity is the trade-off we got for the improvements
The complexity does no necessity locking diagnostic code away from consumers or small shops. The complexity does not necessity creating increasingly granular parts that don’t work between close models. The “improvements” are often just marketing hype or incremental nonsense. The infotainment centers on cars are a great example.
People are aguing about the reparability thing a lot. Current electric cars are less reparable, but that is by design. Car manufacturers are using electric as an excuse to make cars harder to repair. The reality is that electric motors and batteries are dead simple, they just add a bunch of techno bullshit to make them worse. Charging is bad right now, but that will improve with time, just like gas did when gas cars were new. I like cars, and hate seeing them being turned into what they are today, but there is nothing fundamentally different about electric cars to make them the piles of absolute garbage they are, (apart from battery technology not being great right now). 90% of the problems with electric cars are there by design, and I think everyone should buy a car that isn’t designed to suck, whether it’s gas, electric, steam, or fart powered.
Really? Does it rain gas from the sky in your area?
No they’re not.
Ive been fixing and repairing the same 04 Ford Focus for over 6 years. Its been legally totaled over 6 times, if you can find a hybrid that would be as easy to repair I’d love to see it.
We weren’t talking about hybrids. Old Nissan Leaf probably equally easy.
Yes you can re-fuel it, ever heard of a gas can? While you’re waiting for your EV to charge on the side of the road I’m already off driving. I should have specified old dumb cars are more repairable.
So people just leave full gas cans all over the place in your area?
An EV charges nearly as quickly as you can fill up yours with gas…
As an owner of a plug-in hybrid this is patently incorrect. Most electric car owners have at most of 240 volt outlet (in the US), which while can fill your battery in a few hours from home, still falls short of the half hour round trip to gas station and back. Maybe with time our infrastructure and technology will get to that point though.
It’s not incorrect, you just don’t know what you’re talking about.
This guy has an interesting perspective on that topic. He provides good points on how what you’re saying could be wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkabBP85e2I
Interesting video, never knew about custom operating systems/firmware for EVs. Still an old dumb car is what I will use for the time being.