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I can see a lot of comments against copyright here, but has anyone considered the implications of changes to copyright on copyleft?
I argue copyleft is demonstrably socially useful in locking things open. I do wonder if we’ll end up the two being different legally…
Anyone in this thread is creating derivative works and you should not be reading it without the written permission of verge.com’s parent company.
That’s funny, so do I.
He’s right, information wants to be free. Don’t support stronger copyright just to spite people it’ll benefit
In fact just the other day information wanted a ham sandwhich before I set it free so it could find more people not on an empty stomach :/
Its not stolen if it is still there afterwards.
Yes but you don’t have a right to create derivative works which by definition is all that AI can spit out.
I am so glad humans are never derivative with culture. Just look at the movie The Fast and Furious. If we were making derivative works we would live in some crazy world where that would be a franchise with ten movies, six video games, a fashion line, board games, toys, theme park attractions, and an animated series that ran for six seasons.
All of those derivative works are licensed.
Not my point.
Oh yeah, tell me about Intellectual Property, Patent, Invention, and Ideation thievery, was it still there afterwards? IP theft has been recognized for centuries.
Back to the basement Mustafa Jr…
Oh hey, Microsoft support moving away from copyright!
Copyright infrigment is not theft, training models is not copyright infringement either. We need a law equivalent to when an artist says “he’s inpired by someone else” . That it specifically is illegal to do that without permission if you use a machine. That will force big tech to pay a pittance for it and it will instakill all the small player.
Creating a derivative work without a license to do so would be copyright infringement.
Copyright Infringment strawman argument. When considering AI, we are not talking legal copyright infringement in the relationship between humans vs AI. Humans are mostly concerned with being obsoleted by Big Tech so the real issue is Intellectual Property Theft.
artificial INTELLIGENCE stole our Intellectual Property
Do you see it now?
It’s only theft as long as you cling to the failed “copyright” model.
Big tech couldn’t steal anything if we don’t respect their property rights in the first place.
By reifying copyright under the AI paradigm, we maintain big tech’s power over us.
The truth is chatgpt belong to us. ClosedAI is just the compiler of the data.
If we finally end the failed experiment of copyright, we destroy their mote.
What I see is a system of laws that came about during the Middle Ages and have been manipulated by the powers that be to kill off any good parts of them.
We all knew copyright was broken. It was broken before my grandparents were born. It didn’t encourage artists or promise them proper income, it didn’t allow creations to gradually move into public domain. It punished all forms of innovation from player pianos to fanfiction on Tumblr.
He spoke carelessly, but he didn’t exactly say what the author said he said. You can in fact do many things with it. Copyright doesn’t care what you do if you aren’t copying. That’s the definition of the word.
he gets paid a lot to not speak carelessly
So I can pirate as many movies as I want as long as I’m only watching them?
Let these rich guys keep talking for a sec. I can get behind this somewhat.
Yes, it’s streamer making a copy. You’re fine. Sharing is caring. Copyright is a mental illness.
Copyright is a mental illness
Well, I happen to have a great deal of respect for and routinely offer my support to those who suffer from mental illnesses, so maybe find a better way to say this that doesn’t denigrate disabled people.
I’m sorry but that’s what illness means. It is not an identity.
Well see what the results of the music industry vs suno.ai will be
Isn’t web scraping copying ?
I think that depends how you write your web scraper. Of course the web scraper is going to load the page, just like your web browser does, which by all accounts is not an issue. What happens after the page is loaded depends on how the software is written.
No. It’s only illegal if you republish what you scrape. Absolutely nothing prevents any company from scraping the web and using that information internally.
Hey ChatGPT , download “The Boys” for me.
So Mustafa steals from the entire world and justifies it by pointing to an abstraction that cannot be proven. It’s already complete as they can admit it now and throw Billions at corrupt judges over a decade which will be too late.
These tech-god pyschopaths hate us.
Man this is fucking asinine. No one hates you. Certainly not the actual researchers and engineers building these products.
Capitalism fucks over everyone who’s not immediately useful. AI is just modelling algorithms after neurons and discovering that that lets us solve a whole new class of fuzzy pattern matching problems.
The two of them together promises to fuck us over even more because that was one of the main things that we used to be better than computers at, but the solution is not remove the new technology from the equation, it’s to remove the old and broken system of resource allocation that has and continues to fuck us no matter what.
Look at this AI paid influencer everybody! Who pays you Mustafa Jr? Most everyone knows that AI is gigging them now. When you steal from the world, that is definite hate but It was meant in the aggregate, stupified sanctimonious simpleton.
P.S. Take your “Capitalism Sucks” Marxist bullshit back to Russia, Vatnik and take Mustafa with you.
so we can steal Microsoft’s products?
That explains why my friend’s Xbox got stolen. It was an original Xbox, too. Holds eggs perfectly.
i meant stealing like it all not just some random person’s version.
Let’s be real, they let most of it be stolen
Yes. Exactly. Although there isn’t much left worth stealing from Microsoft.
(This was a low-key “Microsoft bad, Linux supreme”, comment.)
(And now it’s no longer low-key.)
(I’m using a touch-screen keyboard for writing this. And yet I can’t open my doors using the keyboard. Ever wondered why that is?)
(Correct, because I forgot my keys at home and didn’t put them on my keyboard.)
(Now it’s just a –board.)
(Oral diarrhea over. Go get some guhd Linux!)
This is the year of the linux desktop!
By our powers combined, we’ll exceed 2% market share!
(no actually, please support linux. I just switched like a month ago and while it’s so much better than windows there are so many petty annoyances that will never get resolved unless more people bitch about it and that kind of support needs more users)
I think that with respect to content that’s already on microsoft.com, the social contract of that content since the ‘90s has been that it is fair use. Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it. That has been “freeware,” if you like, that’s been the understanding.
Yeah, that’s how I’ve always thought of it.
You cant steal data. violating copywright (Which ai training does not do) is not theft.
violating copywright (Which ai training does not do) I would say that’s still very much up for debate, legally and morally
At the risk of being pedantic, I should point out that morality doesn’t come into the question. Copyright is a matter of law, and nothing else. Personally, I don’t consider it a legitimate institution; the immorality is how companies wield it like a cudgel to entrench their control over culture.
copyright is a matter of law, and nothing else
This assertion dismisses the ethical considerations often intertwined with legal principles. Laws (including copyright laws) are influenced by moral and ethical values, and there are often huge books on theories about the validity of certain things which serve as the starting point of collections of laws.
the immorality is how companies wield it like a cudgel to entrench their control over culture
While some companies do exploit copyright laws, not all companies use it in this way and whether it brings more harm than good is a point of discussion. But it can’t be generalized.
This completely overlooks the positive aspects of copyright as well, such as protecting the rights of individual creators and ensuring they can earn something from their own work.
Whether or not copyright law has been violated is not a question of morality.
This assertion dismisses the ethical considerations often intertwined with legal principles.
No, that’s stupid. Copyright is a purely legal framework. That’s it, end of story. If you still don’t understand, reread the entire discussion.
Exactly. Violation of copyright may be an ethical or unethical act, but that doesn’t change the fact that copyright law was violated.
There is no moral issue.
Apparently he thinks data is like the ducks you find in the park
Clearly ducks you find in the park is just free meat. Why else would they be there?
To ask of you have any grapes
In that I can take a picture of them and you wouldn’t notice or be impacted by it?
You can take the ducks you know
Wait, you can steal from those ducks?
No one ever tells you this, but you can just take the ducks. Just like with the city pigeons. Just make sure you don’t take a government drone by accident.
They’re the same thing.
It’s okay to plagiarize books if they’re in a library.
No you have to run them through an elaborate model first, then it’s totally legit to use someone else’s literal words as if they were your own
You’re describing how human beings learn and create.
I was actually describing a piece of software, which is not considered a human being, and can in fact be treated differently without any legal or philosophical confusion
I mean, that’s how I got through high school. So sure.
