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    Yes, people who unironically support Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism are supporters of autocratic, and in many cases tyrannical politics. These are first principles for the vast majority of people who study politics, all over the world. It only feels strange because places like hexbear and lemmygrad have this extremely weird liturgy, where vaguely expressing any form of the idea that some forms of autocracy can be more evil than some forms of capitalism is the worst sin.

    Really, the only thing which is confusing to me is why anyone who espouses egalitarian and queer friendly principles would associate with people who actively promote a global alliance of countries who would exterminate them. I don’t condone association with campists for the same reason I don’t condone association with Republicans.

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      some forms of autocracy can be more evil than some forms of capitalism is the worst sin.

      where i live a family of people born among the poorest 10% would take an average of nine generations to reach the middle class. nine. even ignoring the generational part, that’s about 20 million people condemned, by birth, to a life of deep poverty, lacking even the most basic goods such as food and housing. and we’re officially considered a “middle income” country.

      all, and i mean all AES states solved this problem either completely or nearly so by giving people decent jobs, education, health care and housing

      so yea it’s impossible for me to not find you people absolutely ridiculous when you talk shit about said states just because they “arrested too many citizens” or didn’t allow enough fucking free speech. you can rip my fucking tongue off if it means i don’t have to see my people getting fucked on a daily basis

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        Imagine believing that there is no poverty in China or Russia.

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          China

          the largest poverty alleviation campaign in modern history is too small for you to consider good?

          Russia

          we’re talking about AES, not capitalist states.

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      Yes, people who unironically support Leninism, Stalinism and Maoism are supporters of autocratic, and in many cases tyrannical politics. These are first principles for the vast majority of people who study politics, all over the world.

      Most socialists in the world are some type of ml or maoist. Yes, I bet they teach in capitalist schools all over the world that the enemies of capitalism are some kind of monsters. But people actually exposed to socialism in practice seem to think much differently. The CPC has a 95 percent approval rating according to international pollsters. But Im guessing you know better than 1.3 billion Chinese folks about their government.

      Really, the only thing which is confusing to me is why anyone who espouses egalitarian and queer friendly principles would associate with people who actively promote a global alliance of countries who would exterminate them.

      Ah yes, the GDR and Cuba, well noted for their exterminationist policies.

      Socialist countries have a better track record with trans issues than capitalist countries at similar levels of wealth. Socialist countries also don’t create far right death squads all over the world that just happen to also exterminate queer folks. There is a reason why so many maoists in the Philippines are queer.

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      The biggest tell of someone who doesnt know anything about Marxism is someone who talks about “Stalinism” as if it’s a thing, as if Stalin himself wasn’t pretty much just a Leninist.