Just a random thought experiment. Let’s say I have my account on a lemmy instance: userA@mylemmy.com. One day I decide to stop paying for the domain and move to userA@mynewlemmy.com, and someone else gains it and also starts up a lemmy instance.
If they make their own userA@mylemmy.com, how do federated instances distinguish who’s who?
Have I misunderstood the role of domain names in this?
Since when is stealing a domain name easy? If it would be then google.com would redirect to another scam site every five minutes.
The only way you’re going to steal a domain is if the owner stops paying for it.
If you steal gmail.com you could impersonate anyone with a gmail email address. How is that an argument?
You would be surprised: https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/29/technology/google-domain-purchase/index.html
But you are right about email, it is about the same.
But with time we could be more careful in federation to keep track of domains expiration dates and owners.
Maybe just instances need to be verified with public/private keys and not all accounts on them.
It absolutely makes sense to secure content and especially moderator positions in other communities by public/private keys.
But look at my replies to /u/Dirk below. If someone actually takes over a domain, sets up a new Lemmy instance and creates the same user again (but without matching keys), how should other instances treat that user? Like a new one? Or block all federation? Do you get warnings interacting with that user (as they could just write another community moderator to invite them “again”)?
All valid arguments, code needs to be checked abou what is possible to implement. Even if we start with one way of dealing with those instances, it will be possible to chamge in the future.
Thank you for good discussion in this thread.
You either social engineer the needed data or hack the domain owner and change the Admin-C or Tech-C and then either directly or by request change the IP for that domain. You could also bribe some one working there or someone who works for the registrar or somehow gain access to the mail account of Admin-C or Tech-C.
https://www.hackingloops.com/domain-hijacking-how-to-hijack-domain-names/
You could also try to poison the instance’s DNS cache so the domain in question is resolved to an IP where the server is under your control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_hijacking
You could also register domain names that are either unpaid for whatever reason and thus marked as in transit and if the transit period is over you just claim the address.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_drop_catching
And since you mentioned google.com:
https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/29/technology/google-domain-purchase/index.html
To recite @fubo@lemmy.world: Depending on DNS for security is generally a bad idea.
Sure, but if you lose your domain you already lost. That’s it, game over.
I do agree it would make sense to issue every Lemmy instance and every user an asymmetric key pair they can sign against, just for extra security. But that might also break things because instances per domain are no longer unique. You can have lemmy.ml@publickey1 and then lemmy.ml@publickey2 and then lemmy.ml@publickey3 and so on. It would be an absolute mess.
This doesn’t even have to be an attack. A new instance owner might decide to re-setup their instance and nuke everything or they simply lost the data. Or on a faulty Lemmy update things break and the private key gets regenerated or jumbled up. Especially right now in the early stages of this platform where things are bound to go wrong you don’t want to accidentally nuke an entire instance.
What do you do then if a legitimate owner sets up the instance under the same domain again?
Besides that, if an instance really gets removed (which basically happens if someone takes over the domain, they don’t have access to the instance data itself) other instances can simply defederate in an emergency. Though the only damage would be moderator accounts on other instances. The content is dead the moment the instance dies anyway (there just isn’t a mechanism yet to clean it up if there is no delete events being sent, but that will probably come).