JFC
Who even wants this? What good is it? I see no use case.
There’s a lot of negatives such that I certainly would never want it, but the ability to search everything I’ve ever looked at would be handy.
the idea is good, but the reality is it gives anyone the ability to search everything you’ve ever looked at. If the data exists it can be exploited. for ill or profit
I really don’t need a screenshot of my bank login or account numbers in the cloud 🤷🏽♀️ it’s a cool concept in theory, I’ll give it that, but reality is harsh.
To clarify, it’s not stored in the cloud in this iteration… although storing it even locally is a risk.
I love the idea of exo brain/second brain where AI helps me keep track of all of my stuff and recall stuff.
But I want to extend myswlf not assimilate to the Microsoft Borg collective lol
Smart phones pretty much already fulfill this role.
People keep years worth of browser history, until finding something in there becomes harder than searching the web. I see no use for that either, but everyone I’ve asked insisted they need it. They couldn’t really spell out why either
For me it’s nostalgia and being a sucker for statistics, mostly.
Same. I think it’s neat. But not “Yeah I trust you Microsoft” neat.
investors. c.f. enshittification
I would 100% use this. I have ADHD and having the ability to recall something I did days or even weeks ago and query things I did in the past is amazing.
“Hey, I messed up my home assistant automation and can’t remember what my old automation was that was working. Can you find it?”
“I had a meeting a month ago with my boss Collen and he showed me a deck about this or that data point. Bring that power point deck up”.
The use cases are endless. This is literally a game changer.
I also have ADHD and would benefit from it just like you said, however, I wouldn’t trust Microsoft with anything related to privacy & security based on their track record. This is going to be the last piece in a huge puzzle that makes me switch to macOS confidently.
yes, but it should be opt-in not opt-out. It should not exist in my os unless I install it myself.
I could apply this line to so many things microsoft put into windows since xp.
i can’t wait to show it my nuts
“Sorry, Microsoft cannot recall your nuts. We haven’t developed the technology to zoom in to that level of details.”
Sorry for that. It was just too easy to pass up.
Audit trail in a corporate environment maybe. Assuming non-Microsoft admins have access to that data, it could be a benefit.
Can’t imagine the risk it introduces though.
And resource usage overhead.
Microsoft is talking control over its ecosystem. Will it police your os for piracy? Look at what you do so it can sell you products? The use case is infinite once they have the data
If it was local only, and more security focused I would 100%.
My ADHD. brain needs an AI assistant.
Oh, didn’t you get the memo? All your data are belong to Microsoft </sarcasm>
How many screenshots of security “disasters” does a person really need?
So Windows 11 has a built-in keylogger!
If only that. This is much more invasive
Microsoft: trust us bro!
As a non-Windows-user I see that as a good thing. LLMs are not going away - but that kind of nonsense at least will make sure all PCs will eventually have cheap and reasonably fast AI acceleration. Which is required for killing off centrally hosted LLMs (plus nvidias cash grabbing)
The NPUs are good, provided that they can be used the same way dedicated GPUs are used: By 3rd party applications to accelerate certain intensive tasks when you demand them.
However, shoehorning AI into the OS itself definitely screams buzzwords. AI and OS’s are polar opposites: You want an OS to be fast, predictable, and reliable. AI is currently slow, extremely unpredictable, and hallucinatory (i.e. unreliable).
Hahahahahahahahahaha. Just like cryptos obsesion gave us cheap crypto chips in all personal computers? Get real dude, this is just a way for them to steal even more data from people. Nothing good would come from this. Quite the oposite, we will see yet another price increase in hardware because all AI dumbasses will hoard them yet again. Don’t forget these are the same morons that were pushing for cryptos and nfcs hahaha. This is people who believe in magic free money, too bad they someyimes get it because out societey is built by retards. I really can’t stand people looking at the possitive at this dissaster …
Jesus Christ. All these requirements for something most people didn’t ask for:
System requirements for Recall
Your PC needs the following minimum system requirements for Recall:
A Copilot+ PC 16 GB RAM 8 logical processors 256 GB storage capacity To enable Recall, you’ll need at least 50 GB of storage space free Saving screenshots automatically pauses once the device has less than 25 GB of storage spaceWait for them to find a way that everyone will run out and buy 1k+ laptops now. Disregarding privacy, most people only need Chromebooks nowadays.
I’ll just stick with my 4-core cpu then… Edit: is logical both core and threads?
Yes. A CPU has both physical cores and logical threads. These are both considered logical CPUs.
For example, if you ran cat /proc/cpuinfo on Linux you would see something like this (First processor is processor 0)
processor : 23
model name : AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
So your 4 core CPU likely has hyperthreading and would meet the requirements for Microsoft recall
At least hopefully companies will stop selling laptops with 8Gb of soldered ram.
Sounds like the way around this is to make swap space take up the drive up to 24 GB. Then trim the swap space as you need it.
I know it says “to enable” but let’s be real here. It’s going to be a placebo switch.
I’m pretty sure Windows doesn’t have fixed-size swap. It uses pagefiles
This can be specified manually to be static
Oh, neat! I had no idea. Still, the term “swap” would be incorrect.
A “swap” file is for holding pages of memory that have been swapped from RAM to disk.
Every update :
“Let’s get Recall set up for you!!!” <microscopic cancel button>
Microscopic “Maybe later” button in the USA…
Normal sized “No” button in Europe…
Europe keeps on proving that we can in fact regulate these companies, and it’s fucking pathetic how the US and Canada don’t.
If it’s anything like the “sign into your Microsoft account to continue” bullshit, there will be no cancel button. You’ll need to cast an archaic spell where you summon a spirit from the Netherworld, who then just gives you a 60 minute lecture on enshitification and why you should install Arch.
That’s a quite normal PC right? Not that I want it though lol good heavens.
When I think about it my daily only have 4 cores, oh no cant use it (I’m on Linux too, so sad ).
Or am I missing something with “copilot pc”, does it have to have som special hardware? Asking out of morbid curiosity.
They’re not amazing specs. All but the most budget of PCs sold in 2024 would have those specs.
It’s notable as a required minimum though. There’s an implication (not necessarily true) that at some times this feature may require a significant portion of those resources.
Like if your browser was burning away on 8 cores using 16g of RAM you’d notice.
Yeah, it has to have certain specific types of CPU. They’re making this a requirement for all Windows 11 machines if you want to keep receiving security updates. It’s going to create a mountain of e-waste.
FTFY: Windows
feature that screenshots everything labeledis a security “disaster”Microsoft claims it’s offline, but how sure can we be? I smell what the rock is cooking.
It’s using a snapdragon elite specific chip that can handle the AI offline.
While we don’t yet know if it can be a hackers wet dream, we do know that there are use cases for it
Yes I can agree there can be positive uses for AI, but I don’t really see any transparency from current AI companies to trust them.
Even if it was 100% offline. For how long? Microsoft can change that with a patch at any time. Suddenly all your personal files are being fed into GPT with no consent.
No more windows for me. I’ve been back and forth with windows 11 and Linux but been on Linux for awhile. Last windows I used full time was 7
Not even completely removing Windows from your life will help. Anyone you interact with through email or instant message or social media will have screen-scraped copies of the entire interaction. And that would be bad enough if only a single person gets hacked and has their Recall data hijacked. There will be huge databases available that people will be able to freely cross reference. They’ll still be able to build a quite extensive profile on you just through all of your interactions that get scraped from others.
Yes I’m aware. I’ve been down that path, and sadly there’s no escape no matter what tor this or VPN that you use with a privacy centric app. We can however minimize what is being data mined.
Doesn’t matter. If your PC is ever compromised, that feature is a one stop shop for stealing everything you have ever done on your computer.
Bye bye windows
Imagine trying to use Wireshark on windows to debug or look at some service.
Just an avalanche of packets going to 20 different domains on idle.
No, no. You see, Recall runs locally. It’s “edge computing”. Which would imply to me that it runs on my router…? Anyway, it’s not the cloud, it’s edge and AI and surely super cyber, too (whatever that means). My point is, I could give you many more buzzwords, so don’t worry. You won’t need Wireshark ever again, just ask the AI if your network is secured. 👍
no one does enshittification quite like the masters of it at ms
Embrace, Extend, Enshittify I guess it is nowadays.
don’t forget de-extend
No shit.
Source: DUH!!!
Another study:
Peer review
Kinda funny, not too long ago it was a fun mental exercise if you were paying attention to the tech industry to try to think of the ways in which Google or MS could fall.
Now, AFAICT, neither are falling any time soon, but there certainly seems to be a shift in how they’re perceived and how their brand sits in the market (where even so I’m still probably in a bubble on this).
But I’m not sure how predictable it would have been that both would look silly stumbling for AI dominance.
And, yea, I’m chalking recall up to the AI race as it seems like a grab for training data to me, and IIRC there were some clues around that this could be true.
Microsoft has become a weird one. On the side of things like GitHub and VSCode, they’ve done really well and have fostered amazing tools. I have friends that work on the developer side of things there and love it. But then you look at Windows and it’s a damn abomination. It’s easily one of the most anti-consumer pieces of software in existence.
