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  • We also do it to ourselves. Everyone has someone in their life they’d rather mute. But they’re forced to coexist with them. Online is so appealing because you can find communities of like minded individuals. Then forget all about those other opinions you don’t like.

    You grow in this bubble as they grow in theirs. By the next time you’re forced to interact, you feel so alien and unpleasant to one another it’s confusing and frightening. Corporations are right there to sell you on a story about how the other side are demons destroying the world. We gobble it up.













  • Oh no, no patronizing intended! Thanks for understanding my intentions. I agree with all that. It’s very true that the societally normative perspective will always be more widely understood. Even by people who deviate from that norm. Not disputing that one bit. And the struggle of having to work around a society that’s not set up for you, is some real bullshit. I feel for anyone here who has to deal with that. The onus should really be on society to change.

    But practically speaking it’s extremely useful to gain new insights into different people’s perspectives. You never truly, completely understand someone who lives a different lifestyle from you. That’s ok. We don’t all have to be omnipotent, but filling in those gaps can help. I noticed the gap in that understanding when the original commenter referred to changing the way someone speaks to a trans person who’s come out as easy. I’ve heard that sentiment a lot, and even echoed it myself when talking to someone I felt like needed to hear it. In many cases they’re not wrong. But I’ve actually seen how difficult it can be for some people, leading to unnecessary tension.

    Should it be on them to figure out how to be respectful to other members of their society? Sure. But I think in practice, understanding on both sides can help bridge the gap.

    I’ll ruminate on what you said about patronizing. I must have implied undue ignorance or responsibility on the side of tans people. Which was not my intention, my bad. Sorry if there’s something I’m still not getting. I’m trying to understand more about the world every day 😅


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    Thanks for the response and critique! I focused on the non-trans perspective specifically to add to the conversation because that’s the outsiders perspective for this community. Here, there’s a lot more understanding around the trans perspective. If I were to leave a comment for someone who was being transphobic or something, I’d try and foster the same patience, compassion, and understanding on the other side.

    It’s not “who does the burden lie with” – it lies with all of us. But if we encounter someone struggling to carry their weight, I think the first response being one of patience and understanding is a great foundation for progress. Now I am not advocating for a trans person, or anyone, suffering in silence. If someone made you uncomfortable, let them know. Just try and meet them where they’re coming from and be understanding.

    Of course if someone is being hostile the strategy needs to change a bit. I still believe in compassion and understanding here. But priority one is letting the other person know where your boundaries are, that they’re crossing them, and that’s not ok.

    None of this means you should conform. It’s not “Oh you want two refer to me by my dead name? Well I guess I’ll be compassionate and let you.”

    It is [without anger] “Again, remember, my name is X, that’s important to me. […] Hey, you called me X, I appreciate that.”

    I think in general the trans community has been amazing about this and really gets it. But I thought I’d share my perspective seeing as how it was relevant to the original comment. I welcome any other opinions or perspectives, maybe I’m missing something.


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    I fully agree with this sentiment. People should be able to put forth what makes them feel comfortable in a social situation and it’s polite for the other parties to adhere to it.

    However I’d like to point out that there is a relevant spectrum here: how much a person stresses out about social queues like these. On one side we have folks who don’t sweat it, they know if they make a faux pas they’ll just ask for forgiveness. On the other side we have socially anxious people who are constantly in a panic in social situations. These more and more complex social rules put a lot of stress on people on that side of the social spectrum.

    This is exacerbated for people that don’t pickup and adapt quickly to social queues naturally, like old people or autistic people.

    My friends and I used to play a drinking game where you’d have to drink if a certain designated person asked you a question and you answered. It was surprisingly difficult to remember in conversation to adapt your behavior from the norm for a particular person. I think about this when I see someone like my mom trying her best to be polite to someone with a pronoun preference that is different from what she’s used to. She’s stressing out because to her this isn’t a fun drinking game, it’s whether someone will like her or potentially consider her a bigot.

    None of this is to say that someone doesn’t have the right to a pronoun preference, or really any social boundary they wish to ask for. But just that it might not be “so little effort” for some. It can be stressful and people express stress in weird ways, like frustration. I think it’s good to be compassionate and patient around that.



  • Or simply emoji based “reactions” like in most messaging platforms. This user friendly and immediately understandable system invites many ways to express how you feel about a comment. I think the community would eventually develop a sort of nuanced language to capture how we feel about a comment. Like “we all know what 🏴‍☠️ means.” But perhaps this is too abstract.



  • Yes and I don’t think you pointing out the truth of this stereotype is unwarranted here. But her pointing it out in the first place was. Replace this with another accurate stereotype about another race. Let’s say there’s a city in which a certain race, per capita, commits crimes more than another. Does that warrant someone saying, “So I got mugged, and of course it was a black guy!”

    This type of stereotyping is clearly spiteful, ignores greater understanding about the social situation, and perpetuates the untrue idea most people conflate with these stereotypes: Every member of the race is like this. This is even internalized by members of the race in question, perpetuating the greater social issue itself.