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Provide evidence bro.

Got any evidence at all to prove any of your points… No?

Your second source separates mutts and backs up your original claim?

Read it and find out, is that so hard? No wonder all your links have been irrelevant, you probably didn’t even read your own evidence.

Here I have pulled one graph from that page, you dont even need to read the whole article now. But if you did you would find a break down by year, case, breed and causes for attacks. Along with evidence backing up each case.

If your argument isn’t that mutts + pit bulls and commonly mistaken for like Cane Corso’s make up 60%, than that is not a source backing up your argument.

Are you seriously asking me what my point is when I have repeated at nauseum. Are you that dense?

Provide evidence for any of the crap you have dribbling about or go away lol. And until then I’m not going to bother to continue engaging you.

Your own source, an attorney’s office, is who states that mutts with pit in their genetics are part of that 60% number. This is your own source.

I knew you never looked up my second link.

Regardless of what you think about the validity of my evidence at least I provide links relevant to the discussion. You don’t even know what a dog breed is.

Oh, did you ever find anything to prove your initial point? No, I didn’t think so…

So your argument started out as pits cause 60% of attacks to now being the 5 pit types, the commonly mistaken for Pitts, and mutts comprise 60% of attacks.

My argument never changed; Pitbull breeds cause 60% of attacks/fatalities. You just don’t understand what a dog breed is. You still think the dogs outlined in the articles I have linked are just mistaken for Pitbulls when they are pitbulls.

Meanwhile your argument was that cops don’t perform DNA testing to confirm what breed of dog is responsible for each attack. You couldn’t prove that, and when pressed for information you told me to go find out for myself when it’s your own point.

You then provided a link that stated 1 specific dog type is mistaken for other dogs, which had nothing to do with anything; additionally that link explained that multiple dogs fall under the pit bull categorisation (which I doubt you even read yourself).

You then provided a link from the UK (A country that has already banned large pit bulls, which makes me laugh as you are using them to defend Pitbulls), but per your own words it was not relevant to the discussion as it was related to tracking dogs, not confirming which breeds were responsible for attacks; continuing your trend of pointless links.

And then you rambled about all evidence being irrelevant as you could not find a centralised police data base. As if they are an authority on dog breeds in the first place.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a dog breed is and what constitutes a Pitbull. And when I provide information to help your understanding you don’t even bother to read past the first few lines.

you know the source you are reading is some full of shit organization that at best is misleading people just to collect money and at worst is only talking about dogs so they can push genetic science including eugenics and blood lible.

Evidence that this Wikipedia article is any of the things you are rambling about here? Or do you just dismiss all Wikipedia articles.

It’s also undeniable that training is an exponentially more significant factor in animal behavior than genetics.

More unfounded statements, again I ask you for evidence. Show me something that indicates that an animal’s nature can be completely overriden by training; then tell that to Siegfried and Roy.

What does that have to do with dogs biting humans in their own homes or at the park? It’s a stupid argument you’re making.

You don’t even have an argument, evidence and dare I say it a brain.

Doesn’t mean it’s wrong either; try to provide something to say otherwise.

Also how old does data need to be before it’s dismissed as ‘too old’?

Ok so you cannot prove your original point and refuse to even discuss it. Got it.

So mixed breeds are being counted as full pits for the sake of building a case?

Can you define a pure breed pit bull? All dogs are cross bred, its why these umbrella terms exist. And because you can’t confirm a pure bred dog then all statistics about these animals should be dismissed. Additionally you are pinning your entire argument on a lack of a centralised police data base: as if they are the only authority regarding dog breeds.

Such a reductive argument. I also doubt you read both my links considering how quickly you replied. My second one provides yearly breakdowns with incident listings and the source confirming breed, gender and causes for the attacks.

Are they taking their numbers from media reports?

Maybe read what was provided to you and find out for yourself.

Sorry for the late reply btw, and thank you for continuing this conversation in good faith.

All good man. Always happy to have these discussions and it’s nice to find someone willing to engage in good faith rather than anger fueled rantings. Feel free to take as long as you need too.

In response to your comment. I can agree that data can be twisted to present a false truth, which is why we need to pull from a variety of data points to construct a clearer image of what is happening.

But with the information at hand it’s my opinion that this specific grouping of dogs makes up the majority of deaths caused yearly (in the US anyways) and even if we were to list each specific dog instead of breed groupings the numbers of fatalities would still show that Pitbulls cause more deaths than any others.

I also want to state that I am not calling for the extermination of all Pitbulls across the country, I just want laws to ensure that only trained individuals have access to them. All dogs attack, but pit bulls seem to be dangerous as they lock their jaws and never release.

Again, thanks for engaging me in this discussion. It’s a breath of fresh air here.

Again, there is no database of dog genetics that police maintain in the US, unless it was created after 2021.

Many organisations provide data/breakdowns of dog attacks, just because there isn’t (or you are unable to provide) a centralised police data base that lists this information doesn’t mean the statistics dont exist.

• https://coloradoinjurylaw.com/blog/dog-bite-statistics/#dog-bite-fatalities-by-breed

• https://www.dogsbite.org/

Meaning all the stats you have are based solely on media reports of dog attacks and not actual dog attacks.

Again you are making assumptions here, can you prove this or am I going to be told to go and find out for myself again?

Your original point was that the police don’t perform DNA testing so how can we know, but you have given me nothing that confirms that. I don’t even understand your point anymore; It’s like you are throwing shit at a wall and hoping something sticks.

Don’t run, relax man you’re two tents.

not a single police department in the nation DNA tests.

So you made this statement without knowing if it was true or not as you go on to say that “there is no national database of all precinct’s police reports, you will have to go to your police department and see for yourself”.

Bad faith arguments always end with “go and find out for yourself”.

Can I ask what do you think the word breed means? It’s not a specific dog, it’s a term to describe a grouping of dogs (Shepards for example). And out of the 300 plus recognised groupings/breeds of dog, Pitbulls kill more than all of them combined. Even if you split it down to each sub-grouping, the dogs under the umbrella term “Pit Bull” still vastly outstrip all other dogs in attacks and fatalities.

I would also point out that almost none of these lists you read online include German Shephards, which is strange since they tend to be the only dog in the US that is commissioned as Police Officer and are frequently attacking people as part of their job. Further evidence that these lists are unscientific and politically motivated.

In this post I provided another commenter a breakdown of fatalities caused by dogs and the graph shows German shepherds specifically cause less than 3% of fatalities over 16 years. Meanwhile the 5 dogs that make up Pit Bulls are responsible for an average of 67%.

In more than half of dog bites the breed is unknown. So that’s the end of your line of reasoning.

Are you able to provide a link or a study stating this, or are you just providing your opinion here? Happy to have this discussion. But you seem to just be angrily dismissing my comment out of disagreement rather than facts.

The bull-and-terrier was a breed of dog developed in the United Kingdom in the early 19th century for the blood sports of dog fighting and rat baiting. It was created by crossing the ferocious, thickly muscled Old English Bulldog with the agile, lithe, feisty Black and Tan Terrier. The aggressive Old English Bulldog, which was bred for bear and bull baiting, was often also pitted against its own kind in organised dog fights, but it was found that lighter, faster dogs were better suited to dogfighting than the heavier Bulldog. To produce a lighter, faster, more agile dog that retained the courage and tenacity of the Bulldog, outcrosses from local terriers were tried, and ultimately found to be successful.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

They were made primary for dog fighting, and fighting is ingrained into their nature, in the same way that retrievers were made to retrieve. I have also provided information in another comment here that breaks down the fatalities caused by dog breeds each year and pit bulls kill more than all other breeds combined.

Even if they were bred for something else entirely a singular breed of dogs causing the majority of fatalities each year is clearly dangerous. So dangerous that something should be done to ensure the public’s safety.

Just a head’s up but not a single police department in the nation DNA tests or even has a spot on their reports to label which specific breed of dog caused the attack.

Your link doesn’t address the point you made above, it’s just a list of dogs mistaken for specifically “American pit bull terriers”, it doesn’t mention police DNA tests or reports, it says nothing.

Besides im talking about Pit Bulls in general which (Per the statement I made previously to another commenter on this post) is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers. In the United States, the term is usually considered to include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and sometimes the American Bulldog.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Additionally the list you provided is half-filled out by the dogs that come under the pit bull breed. It even states that many dogs fall under the pit bull specification, which is why it singles out the American pit bull terrier in order to draw a distinction to them rather than say American Bullies.

A breed can contain multiple dogs, here is a Wikipedia definition -

Pit bull is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers. In the United States, the term is usually considered to include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and sometimes the American Bulldog, along with any crossbred dog that shares certain physical characteristics with these breeds.

People just assume breed means a singular type of dog; it doesn’t. This applies to all breeds of dogs (Retrievers and Shepards for example). There are over 300 breeds and this one causes more deaths than the rest combined.