• L3s@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Too many politically charged comments, locking. We are a technology community, if you want to talk politics please do so in the appropriate community.

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    4 months ago

    He’s literally evil towards his daughter. He said “can’t win them all” when asked about her. Wtf.

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      No no no, when you’re this conceited, you care more about how your perfect gene pool could ever have spawned such an abomination. Then you use your insecurity to do something you were planning on doing anyway due to taxes to appease your conservative fanboys.

      And I don’t really agree with the law either. I don’t like the government telling children it’s ok to lie to their parents. I can imagine an enthusiastic extremist counsellor convincing a kid their feelings mean they were meant to be the opposite gender when they really weren’t. Parents being clueless until the court protected therapy was already planned. It’s a little dangerous.

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        “I don’t like children being safe from abusive parents. Parents should decide what gender their child is despite court-protected therapy.”

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            All parents preventing children from speaking to a therapist about being transgender are abusive, that’s probably why it needs to be court-protected, huh? Regardless of the (utterly fictitious) extremist radical guidance counselor “tricking” the child into (gasp) starting therapy.

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              This law isn’t about preventing therapy, therapy is still available. This is about control.

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                Parents being clueless until the court protected therapy was already planned. It’s a little dangerous.

                What were the parents going to do about the therapy before it was planned? Did you not read your own thoughts?

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        Its not telling kids they can lie to their parents, its saying that schools aren’t required to put kids into dangerous situations arbitrarily. And only in this very specific scenario.

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          I look at it differently. It’s a step towards the state raising children instead of parents. It takes those specific guardianship rights away and hands them to an arbitrary school employee.

          In the future, when it expands to other social aspects, we’ll have no recourse. Still sounds like an overreach to me. It’s not like parents don’t swing towards conversion therapy in many cases. Just read up on the couple who breast fed their kid on a non-functional nipple and was in the process of transitioning their 5yr old.

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        Maybe the parents should have a more active role in their children’s lives. I feel like your argument is a dog whistle and I can’t think of any parent who is involved in their children’s lives who wouldn’t know their child is or wants to transition.

        You want to talk about government control over families, look at what the Supreme Court did with Roe v Wade.

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      Let’s not pretend it was just Reddit. The man literally got a shout-out in Star Trek. He had a lot of people fooled.

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          Give me a break. There’s a lot of people that people fawn over that turn out to be huge pieces of shit. Just look at Bill Cosby. Not really sure why you’re singling out capitalism.

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            Not really sure why you’re singling out capitalism.

            And who did Bill Cosby make money for, again? Who protected Bill Cosby and allowed him all that power?

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              Is the capitalism in the room with you right now?

              Damn dude, capitalism isn’t the boogeyman you can’t just blame everything bad on it lol

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              But your argument is that they fawned over him because he made money. You’re specifically calling out the business/monetary side:

              a capitalist world fawning over capitalists

              No, they fawned over him because they liked his character and persona in public.

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        I don’t think he fooled anyone. The guy was literally helping the environment and advancing the space age. Then he started using drugs and went off the rails. He’s like Kanye. His music was good, the creator just went nuts.

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          The guy was literally helping the environment

          No he wasn’t. Capitalists don’t cure the disasters they create - they just find different ways of profiting off it.

          the creator just went nuts.

          No, he didn’t - he just showed his true nature. That is all.

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            You see all of the electric cars on the road now? Tesla saw an opportunity to make money, and it paved a path to lower carbon emissions (eventually). Even the blind chicken catches a worm. Capitalism isn’t all bad, it’s the greed it breeds that’s bad. The world isn’t black and white.

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              You see all of the electric cars on the road now?

              You mean those things that aren’t public transport? Those things?

              Tesla saw an opportunity to make money, and it paved a path to lower carbon emissions (eventually) still profiteering from privatized transport while pretending it was fixing anything.

              FTFY.

              Capitalism isn’t all bad, it’s the greed it breeds that’s bad.

              Capitalism is literally just a set of excuses and pretexts to justify gross economic parasitism - old-style concepts such as “greed” doesn’t even hold a candle to that.

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          My own personal opinion of him is that he’s a shrewd businessman in a world that prefers businessmen over creators. The second the public eye shifted to him he clearly had some mental episode that has only been heightened by drug use and being egged-on by the alt-right and social commentators like Rogan. Ironically, he’s become a creator, but his content is the actions of a broken billionaire lashing out.

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      I actually used to admire this guy, based on the image he had created for himself (self-educated in rocket science, which I highly doubt) but the Thai cave incident and calling one of the divers pedo, opened my eyes.

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        Same here, I used to have this image in my head of a eccentric entrepreneur pushing technology to the max with ‘fuck you money’.

        Sure he said some crazy shit sometimes, but it kind of felt like he didn’t have much of a filter.

        Around the time of the Thai cave thing this started to change, but I still gave him the benefit of the doubt until that point.

        After that, things just went down hill…

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        I think kinda everyone did. I never loved the guy, I got weird vibes and thought he was majorly overrated, but I thought he was fine, and I respected the work he’d attached his name to.

        Hell, I still respect the hell out of starlink, as someone who had dial-up or old style sattelite with 15GB/mo limits until I moved out of my parents house 6 years ago. That shit’s cool as hell, I would’ve killed for it as a kid, and my dad did shell out for it when it became available.

        I don’t really attribute anything cool that’s come out of Elon’s companies to him any more though, in my mind all the credit goes to the talented leaders and engineers that are “under” him. There is something to be said about bankrolling these things, I suppose, but I don’t think it’s as noble a mission as we all once thought. He just wants to be liked by people and make money.

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          I think kinda everyone did.

          No he didn’t. Capitalists don’t fool leftists - but nobody ever listens to them, right?

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        He lied about his education. If you read a Wikipedia article on the Apollo engine you now know as much about rocket surgery as Elon.

        It’s the same type of “I’m smart” that Trump has.

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      Everyone would have still loved him had he stayed away from Twitter and worked with a low profile. But he uad to toot his own horn at every chance and let his true self get exposed.

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      All media gave him free uncritical publicity for decades. They inflated his ego, branded him as a genius and built him a legion of fanatics. Now the media see the monster they created, but it is too late to undo :/

      PS: I just noticed this is the tech community…why is this posted here?

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        Space X is a technology company, why wouldn’t it be posted here?

        The media doesn’t give a shit. They’re doing trump AGAIN, same exact way they did before.

        Profit has killed ethics in so much of journalism.

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          this is business info…nothing about tech.This exact same thinf could have happened 100 years ago with a railroad magnate :D

          Tech is about new products, principles, ideas, patents, methods, engineering, etc.

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      It’s almost funny really. Way back when, his goals were commendable. The proliferation of electric cars was an Eco-friendly dream. Tesla battery projects were poised to expand renewable energy source utilization. Basically everything SpaceX was doing with reusable rockets was just really cool to the nerd demographic. All he had to do was shut the fuck up, let the work speak for itself, and people would still like him. Not without black marks on his record, of course, but on balance, people would probably like him.

      But no. Elmo couldn’t shut the fuck up, a problem he continues to have at every turn, and people learned who he really is. His electric vehicle baby stopped being the scrappy upstart with teething problems, and started being a manufacturing disaster that had loose production tolerances matched only by the loose tolerances on what qualified as acceptable working conditions. SpaceX decided that cluttering orbit with thousands of disposable satellites was cool, and the environment and astronomy could fuck off. The only stories about Tesla Batteries that followed were about how quickly they lost their capacity and how expensive they were to replace. And Elmo himself bought a globally known communications company, immediately obliterated it’s value, and turned it into a cesspit of literal Nazis. And this is the abridged list.

      All Elon Musk had to do was shut the fuck up and people would have liked him. Just goes to show that “Just be yourself” is really shitty advice for some people.

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        There were a lot of engineers making noise about Elon being a complete fucking idiot a long time ago. People were dismissing it as jealousy, but it was one of those quiet industry secrets.

        Lo and behold, Elon was never accepted into a doctorate program and there is a bunch of shady shit about him even having a B.S. in physics, looks more like he failed out of the program and got the degree after a large donation from his father.

        Elon started believing his own bullshit and exploded himself for being a fucking loser rich kid who has done nothing but funded some projects smart people told him to fund.

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          Also don’t forget, he buys companies that are already successful and then rewrites their history to say he founded them, and then he tells engineers to do a thing and takes the credit when those engineers figure out how to do it.

          I will, however, readily believe that most of the Cybertruck was actually his idea, probably initially drawn in crayon.

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      There was a time when I… well, I didn’t really follow him all that much, but I didn’t have any reason to dislike him. That changed when he tried to back out of buying Twitter.

      At the time I was unhappy with how Twitter was handling its problems. I was hoping things would improve with new ownership. When he backed out, I started to see what kind of person he really was: someone who thought he could do basically whatever he wanted.

      By the time he actually did but Twitter, I was glad the government actually stuck it to him and made him go through with the purchase. And I’m glad Twitter is failing because of his own blunders. I’m hoping it eventually dies (I’m already trying to move on to other platforms like Bluesky or Mastodon. Just waiting for people I follow to move to them.) and that he’s still left with money he hasn’t made back after that purchase.

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      There was that moment it time when he was the underdog doing cool stuff. It seemed like he couldn’t screw up, because his companies were hitting the ball out of the park one after the other.

      Then the pedo guy debacle taught us who he really is.

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          To be fair, not that he deserves it, I still don’t know if we have enough information to say for certain that he agreed with the apartheid stuff. We know he benefited from it and hasn’t said anything against it. We can also safely assume he’d agree with it now, but I can’t say at the time that anyone should have assumed any more than him just benefiting from racism, which can be said of almost anyone who isn’t a person of color in the west.

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            We can also safely assume

            There’s a saying in Russian “ради красного словца не пожалеет и отца” (“for a nice-looking word won’t spare even father”). By that very law “safely assume” is usually used where no, it’s not safe to assume something.

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    Doesnt he have a fiduciary responsibility to the share holders? How is this unnecessary move going to help increase their value?

    Please lets think of the shareholders!

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      SpaceX is not publicly traded, so there are no (public) shareholders to be beholden to

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        There are stake holders that are not elon he only has like 54% still a fiduciary responsibility

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      Unless I’m mistaken they’ve always been based in Texas. Like look at their corporate license, they’re incorporated in Texas. SpaceX isn’t moving shit, he’s just talking out his ass per usual.

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    The kind of decision making others feel worthy of an over 50 billion pay package.

    Fuck Elon, and fuck the board too. Never buying one with him involved.

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    If they can keep the power on, I am sure this will work out great for you.

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    Imagine there are still people chilling for this Nazi piece of shit.

    And I don’t use that word lightly. He has done enough to be getting this label.

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    I don’t know why you guys hate on Elon. Should have the right to know what happening to their children. Schools shouldn’t be hiding anything from the parents.

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      In the case of abuse at home should the school tell the parents if the kids report it? Where do you draw the line for privacy and what difference does it make if the parents are aware their kid gos by different pronouns at school? Why do so many people look at kids like they are property…? And this is coming from someone who can’t stand being around kids most of the time…

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      This is actually a misrepresentation of the law.

      The law bans school districts from requiring teachers to report if students start experimenting with different pronouns.

      Teachers can still report this to parents. There is nothing barring them from doing so. The only change is that they aren’t policed by their school district.

      Technically, this is actually the classically conservative position!

      This whole thing is extremely stupid. Parents should take care of their own shit. You want to know what your kid is thinking? Talk to them. Demanding that the trusted adults in their lives who DO pay attention to them narc for you is a weak-ass move for parents who run to the nanny state to help them raise their kids because they don’t know how to manage their own damn family life.

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      You are wrong. Students develop independent identity at school. Parents are not entitled to every detail of their child’s life.

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      Should have the right to know what happening to their children. Schools shouldn’t be hiding anything from the parents.

      I hate to break it to you, but if a child tells the school before they tell their own damn parents, there’s a reason for that.

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      You mean the guy that mistreated his own daughter so bad after she came out as trans that she even changed her legal name just to not be associated with him in any shape or form? The guy who said “can’t win them all” when asked about the topic? You mean you can’t think of a reason why nobody likes that guy?

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      Schools are often where abused kids are able to build trust with adults and actually talk about their home life. Sure there’s plenty the school should inform the parents of but some things could do serious damage. If they aren’t already, teachers should be getting training on when and how to make that judgement call

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        For the inevitable report the mods will get: this is directly quoting Elon Musk accusing a volunteer trying to save lives of paedophilia just for disagreeing with him.

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    There are a million reasons to move out of California but there are a million reasons to not go to Texas.

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      I think this works better when the numbers are not equal:

      There are a thousand reasons to move out of California but there are a million reasons to not go to Texas.

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        Also why not relocate to Nevada, Arizona, or fuck even Idaho would could be better than Texas. Idaho is the least developed out of those three and even then it still gets a tonne of advantages of being in the rocky mountain/ western states region.

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    Did he put these reason in his corporate governance documents?

    Because unless he did that, he is lying.