It does look like you currently need to be logged in to set the setting or set it each time; the default is light. It’d be kind of nice if it just used the browser “light” or “dark” preference.
Maybe this is just temporary; they do say that the dark mode is “beta”.
Can’t imagine a scenario in which a person avoided using Wikipedia all their life till now just because things looked a bit brighter on screen.
Dark mode makes things easier for its existing userbase (practically anyone with an internet wanting to learn) but that’s that
light mode a bit brighter for dark mode users
You sassy goblin.
Maybe not avoid using entirely, but I can easily imagine someone that can’t use it for more that 10 minutes or so because the brightness causes them headaches.
That’s true, it will make things easier for the current users. But as I said, I doubt if it will increase the overall hits for Wikipedia or be a last straw for people hesitating to use the site
But as I said, I doubt if it will increase the overall hits for Wikipedia or be a last straw for people hesitating to use the site
Why the fuck do you think accessibility has anything to do with hits?
That’s a pretty ableist attitude. You don’t really know how many people and how much are being affected and is easy to dismiss an accessibility option when you’re nor affected.
Ah, well, if you can’t imagine it, then all those people with visual impairments who haven’t been able to read the content previously simply must not exist! 🙄🤦♀️
um, darkmode has been available for years. Just needed to sign in.
Someone had a dark mode style (which I just had to disable to get the new dark mode to work), but then you have to be signed in.
Not a 3rd party thing. It has been a wiki setting opened up with login for a long time now. Maybe it had some tweaks needed that finally got completed?
Not a 3rd party thing.
No, I know. I had it set. It was in their list of themes somewhere.
They just asked me to disable that before I could use their new dark mode.
I guess I’ll stick with dark reader for now
Well that sucks. My favorite Pink Pedia number is Shine On, You Crazy Wiki.
Sorry that people didn’t get the joke lol
DYK that this is the CGI (the web server interface) logo?
I stand by the joke. Mostly. I could have found a better song.
Oh wow, finally!
Come to the Dark Mode: we have more accessible comprehension
But why the buttons? Just use
media (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {}done. The js-solution doesn’t seem to auto-adapt for me.
Because, even though I use dark mode system-wide, I sometimes want to use websites in light mode. Until browsers implement a per-site toggle for the preferred color scheme, websites should offer one instead.
I hate the pop up about it though. If I care that much, I’ll find it. Don’t use advertising tactics.
i think the pop up is necessary as long as the button to open the appearance menu is still the incognito icon for whatever reason
I don’t mind the pop up as much as I mind it being a pop up that tells you to go to another menu to change the setting. Why not just put the setting in the pop up?
Thats how you get spaghetti code.
No. It isn’t. The setting in the modal should act as a convenience component that doesn’t have any of its own data. It only modifies the value in the original source of truth. Once the modal has been used, it should never pop up again, as the assumption will be if the user has interacted with the modal, they are now aware of the setting and can set it themselves from the original source of truth. Unless of course you consider any feature speghettification
It’s really not that complicated.
You give the information on where the setting is, then have an “enable now” button that calls the exact same function as clicking the toggle on the other page does. Having multiple ways to do the same thing isn’t unusual and is trivial with properly designed code.
I’d rather be informed with a popup than have to remember to periodically check the settings in case they’ve maybe added dark mode. Tying this to “advertising tactics” is, well, ridiculous – they’re informing users about a new feature they might not otherwise learn about, not selling literally anything
Surely there’s a better way than creating a floating modal dialogue in front of the content I came there to read.
Are you also upset when they do a donation drive and have a pre-article header literally asking for money?
Yes, but not because the header is a distraction — it’s generally less obtrusive. I’m not convinced that they actually need the money to achieve the goals of the foundation, but that’s another matter of opinion in how I think they spend those funds. I’ve donated in the past.
I use FF Focus (new private mode always) so EVERY TIME I GO THERE the popup is there. A bit annoying.
The irony of me opening the article and being immediately blinded by the eyesore white page.
I’m using it, but not on by default because from experience it can break some pages.
I’ve gone the opposite direction. I’ve slowly been expanding my list of sites that don’t work with
ctrl-shift-aand for the most part assuming it will work for all sites
Addons for darkening don’t work on addons.mozilla, the irony!
All addons don’t won’t work on any Addon/extension page, across all browsers. I don’t know why, but if I had to take an educated guess, it’s so extensions can’t make you download malware addons.
That said, on firefox, you can enable any extention to have thar privilege.
Because it is blacklisted for any addon to work. It’s a security measure.
Dark mode is here for Wikipedia (finally!)
Finally indeed.
If by trying to change just the color of text and its background, images and other containers would change color too that mean it is a css tagging issue. It is really trivial to correctly color just text and its container with dark theme leaving “custom” things hacked in html inside the page with light theme, people will contribute to make them darkable afterward.
Only skimmed the article: why did their initial theme color solution affect the media contents like international orange? Feels like that would be a non-starter…
All I want is “follow system theme” for us light mode at day, dark at night fellows.
How are you doing this? My DE is KDE Plasma and Koi seems to work for this based on my limited searching but I don’t know how well, do you know of something better? (Also I’m using the tree background and I’m hoping to get that to switch too).
I don’t think KDE has a native way to do this, I’ve also heard of Koi for this but I haven’t used it. I’m mostly a Mac user where this is just a default option.
They added that too!
Cool
Dark Reader Plugin already solved that issue.
Yeah, Dark Reader is a godsend. I just got tired of all the light mode webpages and took matters into my own hands.
I’m really surprised that it works as well as it does, given the insane amount of stuff that it interacts with. I’d think that it’d be way more fragile than it is.
I’ll also add that while I very much prefer dark mode interfaces – staring at a light mode interface in the dark is kind of like staring into a headlamp – if I had a display that (a) was reflective rather than transmissive in the sun (like eink displays are) and (b) did reasonable automatic brightness adjustment, and © software consistently made use of a color range such that “standard light background” isn’t “set every pixel on the display to its maximum brightness”, I might be okay with light mode. If I had to pick just one, I’d choose dark mode, but if technology advances, I might be okay with light mode.
Not a fan of dark reader. It has a weird blue tint to things. I much prefer Dark Background and Light Text. That extensions has a true black background.
You can change the color.
Been a while since I’ve tested that extension out, does it have stylesheet, css, or invert modes so different pages can be shown differently?
Yes.
Is ot jyst me or does dark reader do formulas wrong on wikepedia for u as well?
Native dark modes are better and have much less of a performance impact. It’s good as a stop gap though.
“Native”. That every webpage has to implement it themselves is sad. Could be a browser feature that overrides some colors on dark.
Then again, with webapps, probably not.Funny enough they do. Before Dark Reader on Firefox on Android I had a Chrome flag that did the same thing. But Dark Reader does a better job IMO.
Chrome flag works on some websites, but makes others completely unreadable. Do not recommend unless you can’t use dark reader
This is sorta how dark reader and such works. It turns out that implementing dark mode for most websites is more complicated than inverting all the css colors. For example, some gray on white text might have enough contrast to be easily read, but when inverted the text is hard to discern or nearly invisible. Images too, they might have a white background but not look good when inverted. Native support is better
Maybe. Does it make a big performance difference which css (dark reader or delivered by wiki) is used?
Is it known how the default to dark mode setting is persisted if let’s say a plugin removed all the Wikipedia cookies on window close? A get or post parameter?
Either way it’s a good thing that wiki offers a dark mode.
Dark reader is one of the heaviest extensions you use, lots of dom modifications. It also passes around far too much data between processes.
lots of dom modifications
That’s good to know. These modifications are needed to replace the style sheet details, I guess?
passes around far too much data between processes.
What does this mean? Do you have a link where I could read up on the details? Thanks.
Webextensions get their own webprocess as well as running in the website. I don’t have a link but if you read their source they just pass a lot of data to their process to determine things (last i looked some years ago).
There is a trade off of executing more things on the site vs transferring a lot of data. Either way it’s a heavy extension.
Native dark modes are better
Agreed. Well, I don’t know if it’d deal with random images as well, as users can upload those.
and have much less of a performance impact.
For a number of sites, you can just get away with running Dark Reader in static mode and it works well enough. Considerably faster.
Also just donated
Dark reader team be like “Guys! We’re eating pizza tonight!”
