Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is the latest Olympic athlete deemed insufficiently female by extremists obsessed with the strictest of gender binaries.
  • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    3 months ago

    IMO this reflects the conservative mindset that everything is black and white and that if they believe it then it will manifest itself as truth. Even if they have to force it to be so in a convoluted and hypocritical way.

    What I think is that nature gives some people the mutation that could save humanity one day. The ability for XX and XX to make a XY if all the XY are unavailable. Mother Nature shows this is a rule in many of the other species on this planet.

    • Atin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Black and white is how both sides see it, but coming from different directions. Neither are willing to admit that there are nuances in anything.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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    3 months ago

    We do not know what is between Imane Khelif’s legs. It is absolutely possible to be XY and be born with a vagina that looks and works like any vagina. They might even have rudimentary (but non-functional) female reproductive organs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis

    If that is true about Imane Khelif, she may not even have known about it most of her life.

    Should all Olympians be genetically tested or just examined to see what’s between their legs? If the former, which event do the women with Swyer Syndrome perform in? How about people with both sets of genitalia? They exist. What about people who are XXY or XYY?

    And if you think the latter- please do justify that sort of invasive examination for the purposes of athletic competition. Unpaid athletic competition at that.

    • Lemming6969@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Do we need a protected class? If yes, there must be standards and those standards must be either endocrine or genetic or both. Yes they should be tested. Anyone failing the protected class can compete in the open class. It’s really that simple.

        • arin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Really? They prohibit women from competing alongside men?? No thats not the case, women only sports is to prevent males with higher biological advantage from taking over the women’s competition.

        • realitista@lemm.eeEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Do you really think it’s fair for a full blown man to fight women in the ring just because he identifies as a woman? Women will get very seriously hurt or possibly killed fighting someone assigned male sex at birth. I have no problem letting them do anything that doesn’t hurt others, but this is a case where I think we need to be more sensible.

          • Tryptaminev@lemm.eeEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Boxing has weight classes. As do most other martial arts.

            The problem is not a 50kg men fighting a 70kg women in terms of injuries and power imbalance. And in that set up the women most likely wins. The problem is the typical situation of a 80-100 kg men smacking down on a 50-60kg women. And that is the image the demagogues try to conjure.

            So if your full blown men is a 60kg feather to be able to compete against another 60kg women, the whole trope falls apart.

            • realitista@lemm.eeEnglish
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              3 months ago

              A man with the same body weight as a woman would still inherently have more upper body strength and higher ability to gain it as that’s just how men are built vs women. It’s still not a fair way of setting intersex classes.

  • ZK686@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    This is stupid. There’s no “far right” to purge women… the outcry is whether or not women’s sports are being treated fairly. The whole controversy about this boxing issue started when information was released that this female has failed gender tests in the past. Of course there’s going to be an outcry from people.

    • rainynight65@feddit.orgEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Inane Khelif never ‘failed a gender test’. A single test of unspecified nature and undisclosed method conducted by an unreliable sports governing body has purportedly either revealed higher testosterone levels or XY chromosomes. But due to the unspecified nature the result is neither reproducible nor reliable.

    • Tarquinn2049@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      If they were doing it to help, you’d think they’d actually look into if what they were doing was helping… when you care about someone or something, you put in the effort.

    • microphone900@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Would it make a difference to you if the controversy kicked off because the org that disqualified these two fighters was banned by the IOC from participating in the Olympics for shady stuff? Or if the org has never said why they were disqualified? Or if the guy making the wild claims is the head of the org and a friend of Putin, and the DQ for one fighter happened after she beat an until then undefeated Russian fighter?

      You really should look into the background of it. Here’s an AP News link

    • Cheems@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      The right is notoriously known for the stauch stance of treating women fairly.

    • Bell@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Exactly. And the outcry over unfairness in women’s sports is an effort to save it, not destroy it.

    • Crampon@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Lemmy doesn’t care about fairness. Only about ideology.

      According to Lemmy it’s only fair to remove gender based competitions as gender is only a social construct. Fuck all the women who worked hard and dedicated their lives to a single event. Fuck them brutally because we want our ideology to stand victory.

      An extended result of the view is that unaltered women does belong in the home pursuing more domestic tasks.