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No big deal to me. I use search in control panel to find what I need. Do the same for Settings. Or just open mmc and load the appropriate item.
I feel like I’m losing control
I find it funny they’ve been trying to kill the Control Panel for 12 years now and still haven’t been able to do it. Microsoft, here’s an idea you can have for free: Put an “Other” section in the Settings app that opens the Control Panel inside the app, QED.
Nice screenshot, nobody will recognize by this what did they remove
Nice, take away the only tool that sometimes fixes what your engineers destroyed
They need to finish Settings before doing that. Control Panel is almost always the easier way to accomplish things and still the only way to accomplish some IIRC.
Settings in Windows 11 is close. I rarely find myself going to control panel when it was about 50/50 in Windows 10. Still more clicks than I would like but workable.
I had to do a lot of configuration work on Win10 computers lately. The MMC, Powershell, even Regedit are faster and more intuitive than Settings. It’s fucking ridiculous.
And it doesn’t take years to load, specially on older PCs
And you can have more than one instance open at a time, instead of having the sound page open and when you try to bring up bluetooth next to it it changes the first one instead.
This is so frustrating when trouble shooting - trying to re-find where that one settings page was because you opened another.
It’s not a phone - it’s a windowing desktop environment. Allow multiple instances!They literally already tried and failed with the phoneification of windows when everyone shat on 8. I guess some ahole UI designer still works there and is bitter that people didn’t like their ideas.
This. Settings does not have full audio devices information and settings.
Good god, this is sad to witness. As long as I’ve been using windows, they’ve added duplicates of every single thing, but presented differently, each version being slightly more incapable in slightly different ways. How can a piece of software be so utterly lacking in design and forethought is beyond me, for real.
Am i the only one who just presses the windows button and types the setting thry want? I havent looked at control panel forever…
That’s fine when you want a setting that exists in the settings app. Let me know if you find a place to adjust your also device speaker configuration, or toggle live monitoring of an audio input.
It’s not really fine, though. It’s much more sparse on information, and the animations slow you down because buttons are not clickable until the animation ended. And then there’s when the menu gets populated in chunks through a few seconds, don’t even try to click the button because it will jump away and you’ll click something else. No, this is not on an old machine: Ryzen system with SSD.
Or set up your IrDA driver for a dongle that it does not really recognize.
Settings was utterly useless for this. Long live the control panel!
If Microsoft had actually moved all the settings over to the “new” settings app (it’s 12 years old, btw), I’d be supportive of this.
It’s a joke that windows has 2 settings apps, and searching for specific settings in the start menu will take you to either, or to both.
But as we all know, Microsoft won’t do this properly. They’ll likely just continue with their 75% finished settings app while hiding the control panel, and if you need something not in the settings app you’ll have to income some old menu using a run command or some other terrible UX idea.
MacOS, Android, iOS, Linux distros don’t have this issue. Fucking TempleOS doesn’t have this issue. Microsoft is a $3.2 trillion company.
The absolute lack of effort they put into Windows is pathetic. They’re a shining example of why monopolies should not be allowed to happen.
I hate the settings app so much that I’ve just learned the powershell commands for setting up printers and changing NIC settings. Honestly it wouldn’t be as bad if a. It didn’t take forever to load on occasion and b. I could have two settings windows open at once.
It’s so hard to find settings there that jumping between network center and add device is not intuitive. If they remove control panel from servers too I might quite my msp job and go work at a grocery store.
Does Linux have good support for VR yet? Specifically my HP Reverb g2 that seems to be reliant on windows mixed reality…
I’ve never tried VR, but from what I’ve heard it’s hit and miss on Linux right now - certainly not as good as Windows at the moment.
I know that KDE has a lot of stuff for VR (unsurprising given Valve is pushing for it), and Gnome has just merged a lot of the same, so if you give it a spin I’d recommend an up-to-date distro (say Fedora or Opens use) with either KDE or Gnome.
I imagine that when Valve releases their new headset, progress will accelerate, but that’s just a guess
Interesting, thank you
Also was unaware Valve was working on a new headset! That’s good news as it feels like the market has really stagnated outside of the Meta headsets.
I wouldn’t get too excited. Supposedly the next headset is internally called Deckard, and it’s been “about to release” for like 3 years now? Pretty much everything people think they know about it is conjecture based off code Valve has tucked away in SteamVR; zero public statements of intent.
As for VR on Linux… kinda? I’ve only read terrible things about it online. I have an Index and tried to use it with Mint a few months back, and while it mostly worked without any configuration issues, there was a weird white ring around the edge of the screen that I couldn’t figure out.
zero public statements of intent
To be fair, when has Valve ever done this?
About as often as they actually release anything
I have the same headset, and as of a few weeks ago when I last checked, there is not complete support. I think the display works mostly, but the controllers don’t so it might depend on what you are doing.
Interesting - I rarely use the controllers, so could be do-able at least as a dual boot
Just a curious question - Is there any VR sets that work with Linux Distros? I’m not much of a gamer to need or want one. Just want to learn for learning’s sake.
the thing that most grinds my gears is that there are settings that appear in both control panels and settings, appear to be changeable in both, but only one or the other actually changes anything.
I don’t think this is a real issue in the age of bespoke design for applications. Only a minority of then use the OS widgets for their interface. You can argue that this is a bad thing, but then the context menus are just a tiny portion of the entire issue.
As annoying as it is, I’d rather have visually inconsistent elements rather than broken applications. There’s something to be said for backwards compatibility.
Steam has a somewhat inconsistent interface in some aspects, but for some reason it is acceptable.
Most people don’t care about this, and I wish I didn’t, but for whatever reason my brain just hates inconsistency like this, and Windows is the absolute worst for it. It makes me hate using my computer. I’m truly jealous of the people who are completely unfazed by ugly/inconsistent UX, I wish it was a trait I had.
Context menus like this, UI elements from many different windows versions, 5+ UX toolkits in use at any given time, inconsistent padding, inconsistent fonts, dark mode preference being listened to for one app and ignored in another.
I hate Apple, have never owned any of their products and likely never will, but they’d be embarrassed if they had a UX this sloppy and inconsistent. They’d straight up not release it.
Linux DEs are far more visually cohesive than Windows (especially the likes of Gnome and ElementaryOS), even KDE which was/is frequently mocked for being a bit ugly and inconsistent has improved leaps and bounds recently and is now far more consistent than Windows. And they’re all working on a combined budget that’s probably less than 1% of Window’s. Wtf are Microsoft doing??
I like the cut of your jib.
I don’t get it
At least windows god mode still available although you need a little bit trick to summon it
Let’s be real…Microsoft finally depreciated Windows with Windows 11.
I recently found the YT channel Michael MJD, and it has made me realize how fun and cool Microsoft was in the XP and 7 eras.
It was just before the cloud ruined everything and it was before the curse of the flat UI design.
It was a more fun time.
Windows 7 is the prettiest Windows ever made, with XP running Royale theme a close second.
Microsoft mjght have been better than thwy are now then, but they were NEVER fun and cool. Dont be gaslit.
Oh fuck off, you don’t get to decide my oppinions.
If you dig deep enough into the internet you’ll find people who have been complaining about Microsoft since the dos days, and many of their complaints and fears have come true.
Oh yeah, I remember the mems from back in the late 90s, I reacted harshly to the previous comment as they claimed that I was being gaslit.
I remember using Windows as far back as 3.11, I know my own feelings.
If you look further in the thread you’ll also see that I admitted that I was probably reflecting my oppinion on XP and 7 onto Microsoft as a whole.
Spot the self-congratulary Linux user
Spot the bootlicker.
There’s nothing wrong with pointing out that a monopoly with a history of illegal anticompetitive behaviour aren’t cool.
They didn’t congratulate themselves, and the only person who brought up Linux here is you.
They were the best Windows versions, but Microsoft was not cool. They were still monopolistic and anti-competitive as fuck. They still actively killed smaller companies, they still bribed politicians, etc.
I will grant you that I may be reflecting my oppinion on XP and 7 on Microsoft as a whole.
Let’s wait for CEOs to learn about the mess of Program Files\Program Files (x86), and how the user directory is filled with links replacing deprecated folders making it unusable. Windows is more of the inverted Babylon tower of hell than a consistent and complete vision of a product, one layer is built on top of another like a patchwork of a clinically insane. That’s with all their $billions, millions of workhours and a market monopoly.
That’s mostly because of backwards compatibility, and it’s a blessing imo.
Or a forward compatibility, since they weren’t obliged to create these new paths, and they did, thus creating a problem for themselves.
