Except when you peddle antisemitic tropes about the US government being controlled by Israel when the OPPOSITE is true. Fuck you dude. You are a danger to the movements you purportedly support.
The US created Israel and now we fund them and their genocide endlessly, but AIPAC money also permeates US politics. It’s a wild web of bullshit. Idk how any of that is antisemitic though. The only part I see as antisemitic was when the US and Britain didn’t want to take the Jewish diaspora themselves.
Saying that the US - the global imperialist hegemon - is controlled by Isreal, on top of being ridiculous, is deeply antisemitic.
It plays into the trope of Jews control everything. It handwaves every blatantly obvious reality about the relationship between the US and Isreal and says “Yup that colonial apendage is the real master of the US, because Jews.”
Saying that the US - the global imperialist hegemon - is controlled by Isreal, on top of being ridiculous, is deeply antisemitic.
Isn’t that an Israeli talking point tho, that any criticism of them is anti-semitic, equating any criticism of the zionist project as anti-semitic? Seems like both white-supremacists (who want to see an evil jewish cabal controlling everything), and Israel (who want their state to be equated with judaism), agree on that equation, even though they’re on opposite sides.
Isn’t that an Israeli talking point tho, that any criticism of them is anti-semitic, equating any criticism of the zionist project as anti-semitic?
No. What I’m saying is that specifically believing the US is controlled by Isreal - that the US is subordinate to Isreal - that is an antisemitic belief (on top of being ridiculous). That’s not an isreali talking point. Believing that is not helping combat zionism - it helps it.
I’m anti-zionist. That’s why its very important to me to point out this antisemitic belief because its detrimental to the cause of anti-zionism.
That makes sense. Its a very weird thing to think anyway, that the most powerful country in history is somehow controlled by a vassal state they helped create, and who’s only able to continue existing due to US support.
Yep, it’s a hand-washing of the US’s role in Zionism. The consequence of this line of thinking is that the US is merely being used, it sides with the Imperialist Hegemon against its vassal, excusing Imperalism.
It’s the anti-Zionist Liberal interpretation, excusing the Empire for the deeds its Vassal commits.
Isreal hides behind all of semitism as a human shield, so it makes sense that of the criticisms they label antisemitic (all of them) that some of them actually would be.
Exactly. Im a stickler on this point because I’ve had to go through conversations with left leaning jewish friends who still have some lingering brainworms. It matters to understand what is actual antisemitism. The zionist will not act in good faith - so it’s even more important for us to understand the difference
Yes that is antisemitic nonsense, but it also doesn’t make any sense leaving that aside. You’re saying the global imperialist hegemon is controlled by an appendage of its own policy. You’re giving a pass to the US for it’s policy and part in genocide by saying its “controled” by Isreal.
It is of course the other way around. Isreal destabilizes the Middle East toward the equilibrium the US favors. The US uses Isreal, its not controled by it
Smol bean US being controlled by their own vassal that couldn’t exist without their support. This is really deep analysis. You are a very deep thinker.
It is not a strawman you are literally doubling and tripling down on an antisemitic trope known as ZOG. It is an unambiguously neo-Nazi talking point self crit my dude.
I’m out of the loop. Did OP pull that shit in a post or comment somewhere? Nvm, I just looked through their post history and they’re big on the ZOG shit.
Except when you peddle antisemitic tropes about the US government being controlled by Israel when the OPPOSITE is true. Fuck you dude. You are a danger to the movements you purportedly support.
The US created Israel and now we fund them and their genocide endlessly, but AIPAC money also permeates US politics. It’s a wild web of bullshit. Idk how any of that is antisemitic though. The only part I see as antisemitic was when the US and Britain didn’t want to take the Jewish diaspora themselves.
Saying that the US - the global imperialist hegemon - is controlled by Isreal, on top of being ridiculous, is deeply antisemitic.
It plays into the trope of Jews control everything. It handwaves every blatantly obvious reality about the relationship between the US and Isreal and says “Yup that colonial apendage is the real master of the US, because Jews.”
Isn’t that an Israeli talking point tho, that any criticism of them is anti-semitic, equating any criticism of the zionist project as anti-semitic? Seems like both white-supremacists (who want to see an evil jewish cabal controlling everything), and Israel (who want their state to be equated with judaism), agree on that equation, even though they’re on opposite sides.
No. What I’m saying is that specifically believing the US is controlled by Isreal - that the US is subordinate to Isreal - that is an antisemitic belief (on top of being ridiculous). That’s not an isreali talking point. Believing that is not helping combat zionism - it helps it.
I’m anti-zionist. That’s why its very important to me to point out this antisemitic belief because its detrimental to the cause of anti-zionism.
That makes sense. Its a very weird thing to think anyway, that the most powerful country in history is somehow controlled by a vassal state they helped create, and who’s only able to continue existing due to US support.
Yep, it’s a hand-washing of the US’s role in Zionism. The consequence of this line of thinking is that the US is merely being used, it sides with the Imperialist Hegemon against its vassal, excusing Imperalism.
It’s the anti-Zionist Liberal interpretation, excusing the Empire for the deeds its Vassal commits.
Nailed it. They need to excuse the US and they get to do it in a racist way. Liberal win-win
Isreal hides behind all of semitism as a human shield, so it makes sense that of the criticisms they label antisemitic (all of them) that some of them actually would be.
Exactly. Im a stickler on this point because I’ve had to go through conversations with left leaning jewish friends who still have some lingering brainworms. It matters to understand what is actual antisemitism. The zionist will not act in good faith - so it’s even more important for us to understand the difference
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You are doing the same shit man
The US government is controlled by Israel,
Yes that is antisemitic nonsense, but it also doesn’t make any sense leaving that aside. You’re saying the global imperialist hegemon is controlled by an appendage of its own policy. You’re giving a pass to the US for it’s policy and part in genocide by saying its “controled” by Isreal.
It is of course the other way around. Isreal destabilizes the Middle East toward the equilibrium the US favors. The US uses Isreal, its not controled by it
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That’s a lot of words to double down on an antisemitic trope
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Smol bean US being controlled by their own vassal that couldn’t exist without their support. This is really deep analysis. You are a very deep thinker.
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It is not a strawman you are literally doubling and tripling down on an antisemitic trope known as ZOG. It is an unambiguously neo-Nazi talking point self crit my dude.
This is nonsense. Who has more economic power, the US or Israel?
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You think your antisemtic trope is analysis?
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You’re really pretending you can’t see the trope you’ve tripled down on? Its ZOG. Its the one way to criticize Isreal that actually is antisemitic
I’m out of the loop. Did OP pull that shit in a post or comment somewhere?Nvm, I just looked through their post history and they’re big on the ZOG shit.See the comment right below where another dipshit is claiming the US gov is controlled by Israel and AIPAC.
Odd that your comments were moderated and ZOG is allowed to spread.
What they were? Not surprised really since the mods asside from Dessalines here are pretty shit.
in this thread,
https://lemmy.ml/post/20530766
all but one of your posts has been moderated. No issues with the ZOG conspiracy of course.
Oof, that’s a problematic reading of Zionism. Sucks to see