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“The average American buys more than one new piece of clothing per week. If that matches your shopping habits, in a span of five years you have purchased more than 320 pieces of clothing.”
Who the fuck is buying multiple pieces of clothing every week? I don’t know anyone that does that. I feel like buys-ridiculous-amounts-of-clothing George is an outlier and shouldn’t be counted.
Do individual socks count? If so, buying a 10 pack of socks and a 6 pack of undies gets you through half a year by this metric.
Man, I don’t even do that every year. Maybe every 3-5 years. I do not buy clothes very often at all.
I think I’ve bought 2 pieces this year.
Judging by the amount of clothes at second hand stores in the US, its mostly middle class women
I have a shopaholic aunt who is said to wear things she buys once on avg. She could open her own 2nd hand shop (or if she moved her stock to Europe she could open ~6 2nd-hand shops). Many women in my family are inflicted with this disease to varying degrees. It’s a gender-specific disease that I think men are immune to.
Men are not immune to it, but it is less common
looks at $150 Warhammer model next time buddy, I’ll grab a paint pot on my way out, and maybe a brush, hmm I need better sprue cutters…
This article is so entitled
It really is the entitled version of the boots theory. I wear my clothes literally hundreds of times before they get worn out and this article is suggesting that 10 wears of “cheap” ($50) clothes and it’s trash time. This article is way out if touch to the average non-fashion obsessed buyer imo.
Broadly speaking, consumers should educate themselves about apparel, and then choose to buy apparel that’s better made and will last longer. It’s not just underwear. Jeans are a favorite example of mine. Most jeans right now are in the 9-10oz range, and have 1-4% spandex woven in so they stretch. 50 years ago, most jeans would have been in the 12-14oz range, no spandex. The would shrink in the wash, so you had to be careful, but would also slowly break in and mold to fit you. Jeans with spandex are more comfortable right off the bat, and can be made comfortable even if they’re fairly tight, but as they wear, they’re going to start sagging. And since they’re a lighter weight material, they aren’t going to last as long. The changes are, in large part, driven by the need to ensure that your jeans fit a wider range of body shapes; your fit doesn’t need to be as specific when you use elastic. (That starts wading into the deep end of fitting apparel, but the short version is: patterns can be pretty easily graded to fit people that aren’t overweight, but once you get past a certain amount of body fat, distribution and shapes start varying widely enough that you simply can’t make anything that’s close to universal without making it fit like a poncho.)
There was even a brief period of time where Invista had a partnership with a mill that was making denim, and they were doing 60/40, or 50/50 cotton/nylon denims, and they had fantastic wear capabilities. I haven’t been able to find anything about that particular material in about 15 years, sadly. (Cotton/Kevlar blends are possible to find; those are used for motorcycle jeans. They’re also $60/yard for 30" wide fabric, which is insane.)
Here’s the thing about “signaling to the industry with your money”: They will take it and not give you shit.
Pay 30$ or $300 for a drill it’s still made in China from plastic and planned obsolescence.
Underwear is no different.
Voting with your money works. But only when there are good options to vote for.
There are a couple BifL sock makers, but no BifL underwear makers. That’s the problem. If someone made loose-fitting stretchy aramid boxers with a drawstring that lasts 1+ lifetimes, people would pay $100/ea for them.
Pay cheap and you get cheap. Pay more and sometimes you get fat better quality. Unfortunately, you can also get cheap with a larger mark-up.
Patagonia boxers are made using recycled plastics and they also accept worn out boxers for recycling. Patagonia is the only boxers I have found that are very loose fitting (baggy in fact), silky feeling, yet stretchy, yet moisture-wicking all at once. Nothing like this seems to exist in Europe.
So here’s a debate: synthetic vs cotton
Synthetic boxers can be recycled and can be made from recycled plastics. But every time synthetic clothes get washed they shed microplastics which most sewage treatment centers cannot filter out. You would have to buy a special filter to attach to your washing machine. Researchers in Ghent discovered that the bacteria that loves perspiration also loves synthetic clothes but not cotton. This is why synthetic clothes get stinky fast and thus need more frequent washing than natural fibers.
Cotton production consumes absurd amounts of water (2700 liters of water to produce 1 t-shirt). And when you wash it, hang drying takes /days/ (whereas microfibers hang dry in a couple hours). So people use energy wasting tumble dryers when cleaning cotton. But cotton has the advantage of being biodegradable. You can simply compost/landfill finished cotton as long as it doesn’t have harmful dyes that leech out. There is also a cotton t-shirt that is claimed to wearable 7 times before each wash. IIRC it’s blended with silver for anti-microbial effects.
The environmental debate can go either way depending on which problem you want to focus on, but cotton is clearly lousy performing underwear considering how it retains water and gets soggy. The only natural fiber that performs well for underwear is wool (ideally Marino from what I’ve read). But the prices on that are extortionate. €60+ for one pair of wool boxers, and they’re tight fitting.
Anyway, the OP’s thesis is lost. There is no BifL boxers AFAIK.
There are BifL socks though, called “Darn Tough” which have a lifetime warranty. They have 1 competitor but I forgot the brand. Both use marino wool.
update
Patagonia plans to open a store in Amsterdam.
There are BifL socks though, called “Darn Tough” which have a lifetime warranty. They have 1 competitor but I forgot the brand. Both use marino wool.
I don’t really think socks can be a BIFL item. Darn tough is definitely one of my favorites, but I’ve worn through pairs. Merino is a weak fiber (which is what makes it soft), so it wears out. I’ve got some pairs where the nylon structure of the sock is intact, but the wool itself has been abraded away. Yes, I could swap them for new ones, but I don’t want to exploit a company who is trying to do things right.
There’s a few companies making good, made in America wool socks. Farm to Feet, Camel City mill, grip6, a decent part of smartwool’s portfolio, and probably a few others.
I guess the whole point isn’t actually things that last forever, it’s things that reach the optimum of longevity, eco friendliness, and performance.
I guess the whole point isn’t actually things that last forever, it’s things that reach the optimum of longevity, eco friendliness, and performance.
BIFL in for this community can mean that literally, as in it will last your entire life, but also includes what you described. Fully agree!
Not sure if I trust a lot of companies that make more expensive underwear to actually make something that lasts longer. I could put the research in to find something. But the markup between the cheapest things and the “quality” underwear always seems a bit much for me
I found Schiesser lasts pretty well
Schiesser
Cheers mate!
Price is unfortunately not a reliable proxy for quality. That’s kind of why communities like BuyItForLife exist.
Granted, the marketers are catching up to this and as such they are losing their usefulness, but yeah.
I’ve had the same underwear for about 10 years. The elastic eventually wears out and you have to sew them to become “fitted”
I quit using a dryer. Hang drying will help elastics last longer. Though it still breaks eventually.
When you repair them, are you sewing new elastic onto them? i thought about just threading a shoe lace since some boxers us that drawstring design anyway.
No, I just fold it over on top of itself in two places (left hip and right hip) and sew so they fit me perfectly
Soo… What underwear are actually worth buying then? It doesn’t seem like there are too many recommendations.
Schiesser is outlasting every other brand I’ve tried so far
I’ve gone with MeUndies after a sponsor spot in a YouTube video that was actually good. They do tons, like TONS of different designs. Pricey, but made extremely well. Plus, all of the packaging is recyclable.
They also have a subscription model that’s literally just pairs for a discount monthly, and you can select a random design.
Been using me undies myself for just over 6 years. Theyre started to break down over the last year. One complaint i have is the purple lining they use for the elastic seems to leave a mark around my waist. I’ve been waring them inside out to accomidate.
I’ll be trying some lttstore undies soon. Hopefully theyre similar quality but slightly longer lasting.
