IIRC these organoids also die after somewhere around 100 days of hypoxia, because they have yet to be able to construct a proper circulatory system for them.
also they only feel pain suffering for every second of their miserable existance. They welcome the cold embrace of the void.
this reminds me of a story about someone who couldn’t talk but they had to scream, i think it was called, “the guy who stubbed his toe in the library”
Darkness…imprisoning me…all that I see…absolute horror
I cannot live…I cannot die…trapped in myself…body, my holding ceeeEEEEELLLLL
So basically a first trimester abortion. Will these be available in Texas?
Oh, a CPU that straight up expires? A product that comes with enshittification built in from the start? Corporations’ mouths are watering as we speak.
This is still experimental. There’s not even the slightest glimmer of a product in this yet.
That didn’t stop everyone from jumping on GPT, either.
Not sure how using a free service is the same as using human neurons as a processor.
In about a month lemmy will discover that human beings die and will complain about the enshittification of life.
Enshittification - a pattern of decreasing quality.
Why life expectancy in the US is falling.
Declining Health-Related Quality of Life in the U.S..
The enshittification of life is real.
There are like 200 countries in the world that are not the US.
That can’t be right.
People seeing scifi works as somehow prophetic is something I will never understand…
Prophetic? Fuck no. Cautionary tales that unfortunately turn into self-fulfilling prophecies? That’s a different story
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Oh God, imagine your braincells being used to mine crypto.
You ‘pute 64 bits, whaddya get?
Just ‘nother load for your instruction set
Satoshi don’t call me cuz I can’t go
I sold my soul to the crypto bros
Turns out the origin of borgs was actually earth!
Are homeless people going to start mysteriously disappearing now
Don’t need the homeless. You can pluck a hair, donate your blood, or even take a plug of your foreskin if you have one, to generate the neural stem cells from iPSC, the cell type they use in this process.
a plug of your foreskin
Can you use them to grow more dicks on your body like hair transplants?
if you have one.
It could be penis cells for all we know.
They could be guiding bombs with this technology and it would be immune to Electromagnetic attacks.
it wouldn’t* because the connections to the parts would still have wires which would fry the lil guys
You know I was commenting sarcastically.
Is this legit? This is the first time I’ve heard of human neurons used for such a purpose. Kind of surprised that’s legal. Instinctively, I feel like a “human brain organoid” is close enough to a human that you cannot wave away the potential for consciousness so easily. At what point does something like this deserve human rights?
I notice that the paper is published in Frontiers, the same journal that let the notorious AI-generated giant-rat-testicles image get published. They are not highly regarded in general.
Seems like it’s an ethical gray area. Some brain organoid have responded to light stimulus and there are concerns they might be able to feel pain or develop consciousness. (Full disclosure, I had no idea what an organoid even was before reading this and then did some quick follow up reading)
How complex does a neural net have to be before you can call any of its outputs ‘pain’?
Start with a lightswitch with ‘pain’ written on a post-it note stuck to the on position, end with a toddler. Where’s the line?
I think that’s why it’s a gray area. No one knows
They don’t really go into the size of the organoid, but it’s extremely doubtful that it’s large and complex enough to get anywhere close to consciousness.
There’s also no guarantee that a lump of brain tissue could ever achieve consciousness, especially if the architecture is drastically different from an actual brain.
Well, we haven’t solved the hard problem of consciousness, so we don’t know if size of brain or similarity to human brain are factors for developing consciousness. But perhaps a more important question is, if it did develop consciousness, how much pain would it experience?
Physical pain? Zero.
Now emotional pain? I’m not sure it would even be able to accomplish emotional pain. So much of our emotions are intertwined with chemical balances and releases. If a brain achieved consciousness, but had none of these chemicals at all…I don’t know that’d even work.
Physical pain? Zero.
Did you think about this before you wrote it?
Didn’t have to. Kind of an obvious thing to point out, but OP didn’t specify what type of pain he meant, so I figured I would, just in case.
How is it obvious?
Human brains don’t actually have any pain receptors (even though headaches would have you seriously believe otherwise), so a brain alone wouldn’t be able to feel pain any more than it would be able to smell or see.
Physical pain only exists from nerves. Brains don’t have any nerves. No nerves. No pain.
Careful. Get too deep into that and people will have to admit lesser animals have forms of consciousness.
Article claims they are human brain organoids, doesn’t say where the source of them is. Are these grown, like most other neural computing systems, or are they actually taking matter from a human brain?
pffft good luck getting my brain organoids to do your bidding… I am deeply tarded
I’m concerned about what kind of hardware is sold on tomshardware
So we’re starting to get to the point where its theoretically possible for computers to get real organic viruses? “Sorry boss I cant work today my computer caught Covid and coughed on me so now I have it too :(”
Caught prions*
As if tech isn’t enough of a hyper specialized mess already now we’re throwing biologists into the mix. “Sorry we need to wait for the registered nurse to fix your machine I’m not authorized to administer meds through the CPU’s IV”
From a read of that article, it appears that they are feeding it analog inputs, which would imply that it is producing analog outputs. I don’t know if there is a way to evaluate floating point operations on an analog system. That said, my knowledge is very cursory, and someone will surely correct me.
Some cells get taken from you and turned into stem cells.
These are converted into brain cells, and nerve cells, on a chip that represents the scaffolding, interface, and connectivity.
Then the whole ‘organ-device’ gets surgically installed into your brain, and through gene therapy, the brain cells grow into, connect with and network into your existing tissue.
And then every time you sneeze, you end up ordering another case of diapers from Amazon.
