• FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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      The Caveat is that it is permanent and irreversible for the average person with very few exceptions.

      EDIT: added “for the average person”

      • cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
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        Another caveat is that it’s not allowed for men under 25 in my country (Sweden). “My body - my choice” only applies to one gender lol

        edit: Although, to be fair, sterilisation is also not allowed for women under 25. They do ofc have many more options though

  • humdrumgentleman@lemmy.world
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    Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.

    Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.

    A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.

    On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.

      • HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world
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        Yeah zero psychological risk is a bit of an overstatement. Zero physical maybe, but there’s definitely psychological risks, and I’m not even thinking about child support

        Edit: I can’t read, it says physiological and I’m just deficient in the reading

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    Safe, cheap, permanent but trivially reversible male birth control was invented in 1979 and has yet to be approved for US sale.

      • cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
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        Honestly, I think condoms are unrealistic. Fucking with a condom is so totally useless that you almost feel a bit resentful of the woman after. Like she has bad minge or something. The first time I had sex I was a good boy and used a condom and I just quit after a while, and sat down and wondered what the fuck was wrong. She thought I’d finished.

        Saying “wear a rubber” is stupid. For a lot of people, sex with a condom is completely useless. I’ll wear one the first time with a woman as I ofc want to get imtimate, but the sex itself will be useless.

        • frankspurplewings@lemmy.world
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          If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼‍♀️

          But lame ass roasting aside, being responsible during sex is important. Being able to communicate your wants and needs is absolutely necessary. I’ll tell you that I also hated condoms during sex, but it took being with my partner about six months before I felt comfortable enough to bring up a discussion about having sex without condoms. We then talked about the risks of accidental pregnancy, STDs, and my hormones and birth control. In the long term, the time period we used condoms was worth it because we learned each other’s bodies, as well as each other’s personalities. Once we did move to sex without condoms, it was sooooo much better, but we also were better communicators and the sex was wayyy more fun.

          You have to be willing to put in the time and effort and trust that leads to a real connection first.

          • cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
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            If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼‍♀️

            But lame ass roasting aside

            Not gonna pretend that I don’t deserve it, or that I’m very polite either, but beginning every response with an insult is not some clever ‘roasting’.

            I don’t agree with you that it should take half a year of learning your partner for sex to be good. If you’re attentive and interested in getting your partner off, then you can do that the first time, or certainly atleast in a shorter time than that. But it’s going to differ between different people ofc.

  • Draconic NEO@lemmy.world
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    I find it strange that many people here are against this when the alternative is a surgical treatment that often can’t be easily reversed, and even when it is, often lowers the likelihood they will have a kid.

    Chemical solutions are way better in that regard because if they are done right they don’t damage any tissue and their affects are temporary.

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      I’m not against it but you’d have to be crazy to trust a guy who doesn’t want to use a condom because he swears he’s on the pill. It seems like it opens up a wild new avenue for sexual assault.

      The reality is that the consequences of sex are asymmetric. I suppose this is an interesting option for couples in a relationship though.

      • Brownian Motion@lemmy.world
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        asymmetric?

        Like you’ve ever trusted a woman that has said “It’s okay, I’m on the pill” first time you hit the sheets?

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      Hopefully it less hormonal side affects than the female pill. But yeah having an extra level of protection will be nice.

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        “Extra Level”? It’s more about taking the burden off the women for me. Why do they, and only they, always have to mess up their bodies?

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          Obviously it depends on the relationship and how risk averse you both are. But yeah why not both? Seems like a pretty good way to be really sure!

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    I will never ever trust this. Not with how gender/maleness is treated these days. What ‘they’ consider safe can be entirely political and ideology-based, rather than a biological fact.

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      Who’s “they”?

      If it’s Urologists, like, those are the experts. If it’s someone on Twitter, they don’t matter. If it’s women as a whole… oh, boy. Dude. If it’s “the jews”, OH. BOY. DUDE. HOW EVEN?

      • cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
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        It’s not jews, it’s not women, and it’s not strictly urologists. It’s everyone in government and the medical field who can influence what is and isn’t considered OK.