Typical American politics, throwing the stone and hiding their hand after, the bad guys are always the others. Like the famous missile crisis in Cuba, 1962, which almost put us in a nuclear war, which by the way was avoided by the Russians at the last moment, while the USA already had its finger on the red button, to launch the own nuclear missiles, stationed in Turkey and Italy since 1959, pointing to Mosow, and no one talks about, because the bad guys are the Russians.
US foreign policy has caused most dictatorships and wars today, for oil and for MAGA.
I know it’s a crazy concept, but hear me out: More than one thing can be bad and it’s ok to criticize them all.
As an American, I can assure you that it’s a well established national pastime to criticize the government. You can and should do it if you think they’re doing something fucked up.
Don’t misunderstand me, it’s always the corresponding gov and it’s supporters, never the country and their people as such. It’s the US goverment which sponsor and cause dictatorships, genocids and wars, it’s the goverment of Israel which crete and sponsor Hamas to justify it’s genocide since more than 50 years in Gaza, it’s the global capitalism with the greed of a minority the cause of the degeneration and collaps of the society, spreading ignorace and fanatism with the help of manipulative media and religion since centuries.
It isn`t enough to speak and critzise the gov when later only exist the posibility to vote between the bad and the worse, or no vote, because in policy the silent majory don’t exist.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what’s controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
I didn’t say it was better. I can’t speak for the commenter, but I imagine it’s in relation to the mass amount of misinformation spread about what happened in 1989, like the widespread myth that Tank Man was run over.
Personally, I think it’s important to both recognize the state violence and also acknowledge how Western Countries have propagandized the event beyond what actually happened.
Additionally, I do think it’s important to recognize that other massacres have happened in US-allied states like South Korea. The 1980 Gwangju Massacre is almost unheard of in western countries despite western estimates for civilians killed being higher. I didn’t see any commemoration on its anniversary last month.
It’s more to highlight how historical events have been exaggerated and minimized based on what is convinient for the media, you can see this minimization happening in Gaza right now.
The difference is the gwangju massacre isn’t regularly suppressed and denied by the country in which it occurred. You won’t get arrested in south Korea for publicly mourning at the memorial.
No, i don’t need sources on that.
I’d like to hear claims on what happened in and around the square… Why it’s called a massacre? How many were killed? On which side were those killed? Were the ‘sides’ as clear cut as we are told? Why were there protests and why did it escalate?
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what’s controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
Absolutely right! I cannot believe that the US government tried a colour revolution against the Chinese people. We can’t tolerate a foreign people defending themselves against aggressors, but we can tolerate aggression as long as it comes from the west?
Hypocrisy
Typical American politics, throwing the stone and hiding their hand after, the bad guys are always the others. Like the famous missile crisis in Cuba, 1962, which almost put us in a nuclear war, which by the way was avoided by the Russians at the last moment, while the USA already had its finger on the red button, to launch the own nuclear missiles, stationed in Turkey and Italy since 1959, pointing to Mosow, and no one talks about, because the bad guys are the Russians. US foreign policy has caused most dictatorships and wars today, for oil and for MAGA.
big agree
I know it’s a crazy concept, but hear me out: More than one thing can be bad and it’s ok to criticize them all.
As an American, I can assure you that it’s a well established national pastime to criticize the government. You can and should do it if you think they’re doing something fucked up.
Don’t misunderstand me, it’s always the corresponding gov and it’s supporters, never the country and their people as such. It’s the US goverment which sponsor and cause dictatorships, genocids and wars, it’s the goverment of Israel which crete and sponsor Hamas to justify it’s genocide since more than 50 years in Gaza, it’s the global capitalism with the greed of a minority the cause of the degeneration and collaps of the society, spreading ignorace and fanatism with the help of manipulative media and religion since centuries.
It isn`t enough to speak and critzise the gov when later only exist the posibility to vote between the bad and the worse, or no vote, because in policy the silent majory don’t exist.
All of which still doesn’t excuse Tiananmen Square.
Like how we can’t tolerate the Hamas attack, which also doesn’t justify Israel’s disproportionate response.
What happened exactly at Tiananmen Square? You have some good sources?
Absolutely nothing. Hundreds of people spontaneously died for no reason.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what’s controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
OK… And that’s relevant because?
“The CCP massacred people in Tiananmen square in a massive military crackdown on protests.”
“Nuh-uh, they didn’t massacre them in the square! They massacred them somewhere else!”
So much better.
I didn’t say it was better. I can’t speak for the commenter, but I imagine it’s in relation to the mass amount of misinformation spread about what happened in 1989, like the widespread myth that Tank Man was run over.
Personally, I think it’s important to both recognize the state violence and also acknowledge how Western Countries have propagandized the event beyond what actually happened.
Additionally, I do think it’s important to recognize that other massacres have happened in US-allied states like South Korea. The 1980 Gwangju Massacre is almost unheard of in western countries despite western estimates for civilians killed being higher. I didn’t see any commemoration on its anniversary last month.
It’s more to highlight how historical events have been exaggerated and minimized based on what is convinient for the media, you can see this minimization happening in Gaza right now.
The difference is the gwangju massacre isn’t regularly suppressed and denied by the country in which it occurred. You won’t get arrested in south Korea for publicly mourning at the memorial.
No, i don’t need sources on that. I’d like to hear claims on what happened in and around the square… Why it’s called a massacre? How many were killed? On which side were those killed? Were the ‘sides’ as clear cut as we are told? Why were there protests and why did it escalate?
Adding a user tag. I like to be accurate, what’s your stance on the Russia-Ukraine war? North Korea while we’re at it.
clearly nothing happened at Tiananmen Square, china in 1989.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what’s controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
Absolutely right! I cannot believe that the US government tried a colour revolution against the Chinese people. We can’t tolerate a foreign people defending themselves against aggressors, but we can tolerate aggression as long as it comes from the west? Hypocrisy
Ok…
Do you maybe see a problem in your own argument?
Russians are always the bad guys have you never seen a movie?
“Your government is bad on some level so my government can be bad on all levels and you can’t say nuthin’, hypocrite!”
Oh look! A tankie!
Did you know that two governments can be bad at the same time?