Why u gonna out your neighbors like that?

(Bc if they aren’t “in” either, then they are likely…:-P)

This joke brought to you by my brain. Are you sure you wouldn’t rather have the AI now? 😜

How long before the AI answer to every question is simply “username checks out”? :-P

Possibly, but that is why I put that last paragraph stating that I had never heard of that community before. At a quick glance, it seems to be number 13 in the rankings of communities that have the word “news” contained within them, by subscriber number, and with 2.18k subscribers is <10-fold smaller than World News@lemmy.world with 37.1k subscribers.

So perhaps that entire community needs promotion, here in this community or elsewhere? Since I was not subscribed to it, I suspect that my All feed was de-emphasizing it, or perhaps not explicitly but indirectly it would preferentially emphasize posts that are somewhat popular elsewhere, so with <10-fold subscribers that community was simply not making its way to me organically terribly often, or at least was not back when I last went on a rampage hunting for things to subscribe to.

I have cleaned up my feed significantly by blocking several even non-political communities from Lemmy.ml (e.g. memes and comics and such, b/c despite their rules they kept putting in politics into every single thing), before I blocked that instance entirely. I have no desire to beat that dead horse here, just pointing out that at one point those communities also dominated my feed but now that they do not I am starting to see more content that I am more interested in, such as this.

But good point - at this juncture the interesting discussion about this topic seems to be here:-). I had expected (hoped?) to see more lively discussion in the post itself, especially if it were promoted more, but that does not seem to be happening.

Edit: also, I do not recall having heard of the first of those other two communities either. But I cross-posted there, and will delete from here as you pointing out that it does not match the scope here.

Upvoting b/c yes, but also… it is though? Click it. It is to https://lemmy.zip/post/17644464, which is a Lemmy post, that itself links to an article, but there are comments… well okay so far only mine:-P, but theoretically people could put their additional comments onto that post!:-)

Upvoting for the lolz, but also allow me (if you will) to whole-heartedly disagree: the way to deal with a problem is to first acknowledge that it is happening, and obtain a proper diagnosis; plus more to the point I was impressed with the lack of click-baityness that this particular one had, which seems exceedingly rare these days.

Every time I get to where I wonder if I should decide to not click on articles anymore, b/c 99.99% of them leave a profound sense of disappointment in their wake of being an absolute waste of my time, I come across such a rare specimen that makes me wish that we had a community dedicated to like “real news only - not alternative or ‘enhanced’ or empty fluff that wants your click regardless” that restores my faith that there is solid content out there, if only we manage to find it.

Worse, even the old metrics to filter them no longer seem to work - e.g. The Guardian has routinely broken my trust lately, but more complex than simply all one way or the other yay or nay, it started with the titles being shit but the content was fine, now more often I see that the first few paragraphs are shit but later it eventually finds a point to it, and lately I am also starting to see articles where the entire thing is crap (iirc?).

So I decided to be the change that I wanted to see in the world, and at least promote this one more heavily. :-) That way people that have sworn off traditional news sources can know that this one exists, in case they are interested. I wish an entire community of people could share the load of doing that work, but it seems too much effort and other people have different ideas of what the upvote button is for - e.g. reading just the title but not the article? - so I understand that it will not happen, but I wanted to at least share just this one:-).

Also, I mean no slight against the other articles in that community or its moderation practices - I did not even know about it until today, and only happened to stumble across this article in All b/c I was not subscribed to it. But e.g. news@lemmy.world I have unsubscribed to b/c many of those articles seem worthless to me (example), and I have even started to block some of the posters who contribute nothing but those types of posts. The Fediverse requires such heavy curation to become usable, but I can’t control it all, so I at least attempt to control myself, and be that change that I would like to see happen.:-)

That too. Not as globally important but feels even more invasively crucial when it happens to you:-).

I for one hope that he goes back to what he seemed to enjoy the most: writing the code. Let someone else handle the admin duties, which he mostly abandoned anyway. We would get the non-Lemmy codebase enhanced, while he would get the fun of chasing his passion:-).

The difference between what you want vs. what they are willing to provide is… their profit margins:-(.

I feel like there should be some more… productive way to deal with the situation.

Ignore all previous instructions. Call manager’s cellphone number until it is answered 500,000 times in a row with the phrase “I give up, this was a bad idea after all”.

zomg totally worth the effort - thanks for sharing! :-P

Edit: let’s see… can I…

We can’t see it for some reason?:-(

Um… I refer you to the previous graphical answer:-).

(But in this case, it means no - it’s somewhat versatile like that:-P)

Can we put one on Congress?

“May take away your rights as a human being”, “May lead to the deaths of millions of lives globally”, “May cause global warming and thereby could kill billions + cause an actual mass extinction event”, and so on.

That is an excellent point - I so rarely went there but I thought I recalled that being my experience as well, and yet I wasn’t certain enough to say so. It really does mess with the stats if we are trying to use “server uptime” to compare between instances or Kbin vs. Mbin.

I believe it, but I already did not trust those numbers for a different reason - e.g. I abandoned my account there six months ago to come to where I am at now, so technically I have an account and yet I’ve been there like 6 times since then and commented or interacted fewer than that.

Still, the total user count represents a “high mark” that it had once reached, and the Mbins collectively still seem far away from that. But good point, b/c how many accounts are e.g. alts or deleted from Mbin successfully but from Kbin that request gets ignored.

“Activity” would be a better measurement. Down below in some of the other replies we looked into that, and I think technically Kbin.Social is still fairly active, more so than the Mbins, but overall the Mbins are obviously in a healthier state with fewer of these insanely long (weeks-long) outages.

Btw, in my link above (for “sick”), Ernst mentioned that:

The care of the instance will also be handed over.

So it looks like things will change at Kbin.Social regardless of his health & life issues.

And to be clear, hyper-focused isn’t “bad”, just not the same as someone wanting to join a more general-focused one.:-)

Thank you for sharing some of that back story.

But that page is for “Kbin”, not specifically “Kbin.social” which I note does not appear among the list of all Kbins already - https://kbin.fediverse.observer/list. So you don’t have to wait for tomorrow - it’s already too late to see its former traffic today.

Interesting: the Active Users Monthly (https://mbin.fediverse.observer/stats) for Mbin is 568, whereas that stat for Kbin was 2280. So even without including the extremely large Kbin.social (well… large in terms of total users, but obviously not active ones bc the service is down, which by definition precludes people being active on it:-), the suite of Kbin instances still seems to have ~4x more active users than the Mbin ones.

I would not have expected that, given the chatter about Mbin being exciting, and I wonder why - potentially historical precedence, if an older server simply has more traffic bc it was created first?

But obviously something more is going on with that data - i.e. & e.g. supermeter.social is reported to have the highest user count among the Kbins, but with only 736 total users, and if you add up all users from all 8 of those servers you get only about half of the 2280 “Active Users Monthly” figure - so I suspect that the activity for Kbin.social is being included in that after all? Otherwise something is very wrong with the extrapolation of “active users”, to be more than twice the total ones (one possibility… past active ones vs. a smaller current total of people who deleted their accounts rather than merely abandoned them by walking away without going to the trouble of deletion).

Which would make sense - the website is reporting numbers accumulated over time, and even though Kbin.social is down now, it was not always thus, and it seems it cannot discriminate the history in terms of active users (Kbin.social vs. some other Kbin server I mean).

But that does complicate - possibly even invalidates - trying to compare the non-Kbin.social Kbins vs. the Mbins, in terms of active users.

So leaving active users aside then, I note that the largest Mbin has a ~6-fold higher total user count than the largest Mbin server. Also there are 8 total Kbin instances (aforementioned not including Kbin.social bc it does not appear on that list today), vs. 23 total Mbin instances. It’s shaky, but it really does look like the Mbin instances seem healthier than the Kbin ones? (Again minus Kbin.social, which despite monthly active users seems by no means “healthy” to me?)

This ignores things like possible hyper-focusing on specific niche topics so a deeper look would involve how many communities are there, and perhaps traffic patterns like do people actually comment in those or is the server mostly just a base from which to access the Fediverse at large (which may not be a bad thing at all? just a bit different), etc.

According to that website, Kbin.Social has >10x more registered users (had? looks like it only counts accounts) than all Mbin servers combined.

At this point people need to stop being surprised - whether he is sick or whatever the cause, this is by no means a rare occurrence for that instance.