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what about revanced
I’m guessing the problem with revanced is the sheer number of projects calling themselves revanced, most of which are probably just malware.
yeah but am talking about https://revanced.app/
A single piece of merch from your favorite creator will cover for any ads you would have seen for the foreseeable future anyway
I run UBO, SponsorBlock on FF. I have many t-shirts and hats from youtoobers. Someone was asking about my hat, I said it’s a youtube channel, then they asked about my shirt and I said it’s another youtube channel. I then thought of all the t-shirts I have in my drawer at home. I’d say well over half of them are youtube channel shirts. Made me think I am too deep down the youtube hole, but there is a ton of good content and I like supporting the ones I watch and enjoy. So merch is how I do it so I can be their advertisement. I may not even wear it much, but I’ll buy to support them and to tell others about their channel.
I use ublock AND pay for… Nebula.
Billy should really not support them, Ad Block Plus let’s advertisers pay for having their ads checked as “acceptable advertisements”, i.e. is selling out the core functionality of their product. Billy should use uBlock origin, which afaik does not accept donations, he could however support something like PiHole .
I have no problem with the acceptable ads system. ABP doesn’t get any money from it, and the ads have to meet the criteria anyways, and it’s easy to opt out. I guess it’s a bit fishy that the list maintainers charge money to get ads reviewed, but the FAQ ThunderWhiskers posted says that smaller companies get it for free, and they only charge the bigger companies. I’m not gonna get up in arms over someone charging Disney money for a service they give the local deli for free.
I also like the way it gives companies an incentive to produce less intrusive ads. With the system, unintrusive ads reach more people. Otherwise, it’s all or nothing, which makes intrusive ads the best option from a greedy perspective; they’re far more likely to be clicked, and the only cost is the risk of damaging the ad ecosystem as a whole (and you know how little corporations can care about damaging ecosystems.)
I’m pretty sure those ads also have to meet certain criteria though.
Using ABP, I’ve never had a popup ad, full page ad, auto-playing video, or other intrusive form of advertisement. The “acceptable ads” have been quiet and out of the way in what would otherwise be empty space.
With the understanding that some websites and content creators are entirely reliant on ad revenue, I prefer to have those filtered down to those that don’t provide a burdensome experience.
I will say that having a new tab open with a solicitation for a donation / “premium” every single update (so almost daily) is irritating and they better knock that shit off if they don’t want to alienate users.
The “acceptable ads” have been quiet and out of the way in what would otherwise be empty space.
I don’t mind this whatsoever. I can appreciate the concept of free is paid for by ads, but when you force me to sit there and have to watch it, or pop ups take over the page, all that excessive nonsense, that’s when I say fuck off and use an ad blocker that will remove everything.
I actually think dating sites could be improved if they had an ad you could swipe away every 10 swipes or something. (I absolutely loath swipe only apps though. I need to know your personality not your duck face pose…) for apps with bios they could have a “banner” type ad that is between segments of the bio. Anything but “pay $50+/month to make this somewhat functional.”
I don’t believe for one single second that this will stay ad free. YouTube will eventually do like all the assholes do and have a tiered system where the first tier is simply less ads not none.
Even when you aren’t seeing ads their algorithm is still controlling your front page, allowing them to push partner content that isn’t directly advertising but still acts like it. The differences between a commercial for Doritos and an episode of Good Mythical Morning titled “Trying Every Doritos Flavor” from the perspective of the PepsiCo marketing department are that people might willingly click on the GMM video and they probably didn’t even have to pay anyone for the video to happen.
Sure Rhett & Link may not have a partnership with Pepsi and are just innocently making content to give their audience (I genuinely believe this), so they’ve got no part in this becoming advertising, but you would have to be incredibly naïve to believe that Google’s algorithm isn’t smart enough to recognize that video and others like it as marketable content the promotion of which can be sold to PepsiCo.Premium subscribers may not be seeing ads, but they are absolutely still seeing advertising.
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That’s a good point, but to be honest even if those thumbnails were just straight up ads I’d be ok with that. I can simply not click on it. Having any kind of actual ad on a premium service is absolute bullshit though, that’s straight up greed…
Hell as a free user I wouldn’t mind in the slightest having their segments: videos, segment for shorts, more videos, be broken up to have videos, ad banner, shorts, videos, and banner etc… don’t lock me into having to watch an ad but I do understand they need ad revenue and I don’t mind seeing the still image ads “of the past” (well past for me since I’ve used an ad blocker for-absolutly-ever now.)
Yep, eventually ads will creep their way into the payed system.
At the end of the day, there’s no such thing as enough money for corporations.
I’m a GenZ-er, and I adblock everywhere I can. What makes the difference with YouTube premium for me is that I fall asleep to YouTube videos on a TV every night, and the advertisements alone can make that experience terrible because you can’t adblock YT on a TV as easily as elsewhere. Premium might be one of my best decisions I’ve made for a platform I spend so much time on. I still donate to Wikipedia and uBlock even if I pay the premium for other services.
I’m a GenZ-er
I fall asleep
Typical genZ, getting those zzzz’s. That’s probably how they got the name.
so true
Holy crap, it’s the Florida Man!
Youtube premium makes sense for me when combined in a family account for 5 with youtube music for 17.5 USD in total.
But besides that, fuck Google. Id pirate music if I wasn’t so lazy but Google diminishing anything of what I currently get would probably give me some energy.
I still donate to … uBlock
From https://ublockorigin.com/:
The uBlock Origin project still specifically refuses donations at this time
Who are you giving money to?
UBlock asks that you give to the blocklist maintainers.
Huh, I must’ve misremembered.
I do the same, but it has to be on my phone, and last I checked that wasn’t an option with the screen off even with Premium. So I used Vanced (and now Revanced). I have moderate-to-severe tinnitus and this setup might have saved my life once or twice.
Depents on your tv. There are good ways for some. S-tube next works for android tv for example, there is a way for webos too
Yeah I’ve tried this but the experience isn’t all there for me imo. It’s certainly a great project though.
For me its even better, cause they included sponsorblock aswell.
Firefox, uBock Origin, and Malwarebytes.
I believe gorhill says to support the filter list maintainers
Ah yes: Why don’t you accept donations?
[…] Have a thought for the maintainers of the various lists. These lists are everything. I can not emphasize this enough.
Hard-earned?
You don’t know what daddy and Billy did in the panel before.
me but ublock origin
how? The creator of uBlock origin doesn’t take donations.
Using ublock origin, not donating. Donations go elsewhere
to really support them, buy merch, subscribe to their patreon, make a donation via kofi… there are so many more viable ways to actually support your content creator than YT+.
Agree! I do merch and patreon for the channels I frequent.
Or… do both. Buy premium because you are actually getting something for your money… a platform. And support ad blockers to stop the ads where the product is just a webpage.
There is still shit to block when you’re paying for premium, so yeah.
Nah, don’t give any money to google. They have enough.
Exactly this. Funding google is a bad investment. Exactly like the comic says, give it to someone who will improve your life.
I would pay, if they would offer family pack in our country, but they don’t. Netflix is cheaper for me, I have Premium plan for 10€, and I am splitting the bill with my sister, so I only pay 5€ per month. I am not paying more than that for a YouTube.
Yeah. I’m actually okay with paying for a service I use daily. Google does a bunch of evil shit to drive its advertising business, but the reality is that nothing is free and somebody has to pay somewhere.
We can pay with money or we can pay with ads and personal data.
What I would like to see is a law banning data collection for paid accounts. Because right now Google datarapes you even when you pay.
A privacy law that only works for paying customers? I think we can do far better than that.
The economic reality is not everything can be free for everyone. Privacy is the price people pay to have “free” access to services.
But right now, even those who pay to skip ads or have additional features on a service are still being mined for data.
I deny your economic reality. There is no reason social media needs to charge. It can be run purely on volunteers and donations. It may not be able to be as big as FB but that is okay. We don’t need giant multimedia companies running social media anyways.
We need strong privacy protections for everyone, not just paying customers. It is time to put an end to targeted advertising.
We’re talking about video hosting here. For a hosting site like YouTube that’s several petabytes of new storage added every day assuming no duplicates or backups of anything, plus the bandwidth, overhead, staffing, and more.
A project of that scale can’t be done by volunteer hobbyists with no money. What you’re asking for is for other people to work and spend billions annually without any expectation of compensation for just your entertainment, and you aren’t entitled to that.
Your inability to see the Internet as a distributed resource is astounding considering it’s purpose. I will repeat what I said before there is no reason social media can’t be done without the corporations controlling everything.
You can easily host your own videos, if everyone did and we used advanced sharing protocols the load can be distributed. The more people watching the more bandwidth.
You have become brainwashed into believing only YouTube can exist. You have bought into it so bad you think someone who wants your rights and privacy protected is a free loader.
We can do at all without them. There is something wrong and perverse about a single entity controlling that much of our culture. Too big to fail you say, I say too big to care about what really matters.
Okay, let’s go with your idea that everybody has the knowledge and hardware retired to self-host.
What happens when Grandma’s cute video she uploaded goes viral and 11 million people try to watch it in a 24hr period? Would we rather it simply didn’t work, or does grandma get an unexpected $7,000 bill?
but the reality is that nothing is free and somebody has to pay somewhere.
Youtube gained its market share and stopped any competitors arising by offering a free video platform. Now that there isn’t much hope for competition they have enshitified, plastering ads and demanding money. They endured massive loses for years just to kill competition. So boo fucking hoo when I continue using a monopolists products on the terms they originally offered.
How do you explain wikipedia ?
Good loving people pay for it because they want it to be available to everyone in the world and it’s running costs are pretty low.
Wikipedia isn’t video hosting. The angles of nenual hosting cost for Wikipedia is around 3 million a year. YouTube probably costs nearly as much per hour to keep running.
500 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube every minute. That’s gonna be like 60 terrabytes every hour just in storage space increases.
If you were to try and host that on a cloud server like AWS the cost would increase millions of dollars every day. Google self-hosted, but it’s still unfathomingly expensive. There’s still questions over whether YouTube profitable even with all the ads and the subscriptions.
Video > Text
Selling personal data at all should just be banned. It says personal right in the name… Giving away free services with forced adds is exploitation in my opinion. The first step to solving the issue is to require everything have a paid option that gets rid of adds and doesn’t sell personal data for additional profit. The hard part with that is preventing them from just setting the price unreasonably high.
I’d imagine there’s a point where the money from subscriptions is greater than the money from advertising and data hoarding.
The “unreasonably high” prices should be self-solving in that context, because the company won’t make more money by selling ads for less than the price of a subscription.
In fact, in order to justify raising the prices too much they’d have to change more for the ads, which in turn would hurt the ad industry by reducing the ROI in marketing.
I’m on it daily. A ton of hours between watching videos and enjoying the music catalogue. It’s definitely the only reason I don’t mind paying premium. No complaints.
My unpopular opinion is that YouTube has every right to enforce ads on their platform if you’re not paying for the service.
The service where they crowd sourced 2/3 of their catalogue from “sharecare” pirate bears?
oh, wait, i forgot about all the sharecare non-pirate bears that just upload good stuff for the careshare… you know, that other 3/12 of the catalogue…
I’m… at a loss. Can you rephrase these comments please?
My friend is confused too, care to explain to me so I explain to him?
Infrastructure is not free.
Absolutely not our problem. They can come up with other business models. Maybe they can resurrect one of the hundreds of projects/business models from them at https://killedbygoogle.com/ and run with that
It’s much cheaper than the money they make on it though. Hence all the profits.
Youtube operated at a loss for years
It hasn’t operated at a loss anymore for years you mean?
You mean when they started playing ads?
Same here. My weekly usage is about 14h give or take 2h.
At least Youtube doesnt bother me anymore.Same, but then trying to push shorts is annoying. I’m paying and m always dismissing the feature, take the fucking hint already
adblock plus is shilled and lets ads through.
ublock origin, folks.
ublock origin is so based, the dev doesn’t even accept donations. He wants people to donate to the chads maintaining the lists his add-on uses instead.
I can understand both sides and I’ve been on both sides. Wanting to donate to show appreciation and help support an awesome project, and not accepting donations due to creating the burden of unfair support/development expectations for a volunteer project.
It really is such a cool extension.
ublock origin baby best adblocker ever
I find using scripts in Tampermonkey better for YouTube and twitch ad blocking
There’s a firefox extension that upgrades the twitch player and blocks ads. Can’t remember the name but it was easy to find when I searched for it.
BetterYouTube?
Alternate twitch player or something like that
Did you read the title?
are you always this fun?
Someone should edit this image lol
Not gonna lie, I bit the bullet and got YT Premium almost 5 years ago. Honestly, one of the best purchases I’ve ever made in my adult life, hands down
Is there any real benefit for using premium over Adblocker?
I’ve had it for AGES. I agree that ads have been a bit much and many websites almost unusable without Origin. YT Premium though has been fairly solid with a couple hiccups.
Admittedly, I use YouTube as my primary source of entertainment. So the price is easily justified vs other services.
Purchase? Subscription*
Agreed. Plus I know my views pay slightly more to creators than ad-supported views (and far more than ad-block views) so I can feel superior to my fellow man.
You could use an ad blocker and give even more to the creators you like via Patreon (or ideally better means).
¿Por qué no los dos?
Porque YouTube/Google gana mucho más que el dueño del canal por esa transacción, además de que lo hace explotando a cientos de miles o millones de personas en el mundo que quieren vivir de influencers.
I typically put children’s music on YouTube when driving with my kid. Not having to shuffle with the phone to skip ads while in the car is a life saver.
I think it’s worth it too. People are just weird about paying for a product that supports individuals creative ambitions just because a company takes a cut. Admittedly better content than streaming services most the time anyway.
I had Youtube premium when it included google play music. GPM was so good…
I unsubscribed everything when they changed to youtube music. Terrible music platform
You’re going to make me cry remembering my days with gpm. Hands down the best music platform that was.
Doesn’t seem like you bit any bullet, you just paid for your subscription giving money away. What’s the biting the bullet part for you?
Lol giving away money at all, especially to large monopolistic corporations like Google. They don’t need my money, they already have plenty
I agree with you but it made me physically nauseous to click the button because I remember a time when YouTube was awesome and free from ads.
