[VIDÉO] Selon nos informations, le fondateur et PDG de la messagerie sécurisée Telegram a été interpellé ce samedi soir à l'aéroport du Bourget. Pavel Durov, franco-russe de 39 ans, était accompagné de son garde du corps et d'une femme. - INFO TF1/LCI - Le fondateur et PDG de la messagerie Telegram interpellé en France (Police, justice et faits divers) - TF1 INFO
Justice considers that the absence of moderation, cooperation with law enforcement and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable number, cryptocurrencies, etc.) makes it complicit in drug trafficking, child crime offenses and fraud.
Same reason Russia wanted to arrest him, failure to do the government’s bidding.
Not really comparable because the illegal content is hosted and distributed through his servers. Which is why most sites are moderated to a degree. This dude basically said “fuck off” whenever takedowns were issued. It’s hardly a surprise that he’s been arrested.
Illegal content is distributed through snail mail and telephones too, but those are common carriers so they aren’t liable. Why should Telegram be any different?
If the CEO of Lyft got repeated warnings that this very thing was happening and ignored them willfully, then yes. In the end he has nobody to blame but himself. It’s no different from hosting a file sharing platform without ever vetting the content and wondering why the cops show up one day. The stupidity of going to France knowing that you’re a wanted man in a number of countries is just the cherry on top.
The rental company, on the other hand, is more than willing to turn you in to not be considered liable. Which they probably would be if they impeded an investigation.
Except that’s disanalogous, since it is impossible for an encryption service to provide the information being subpoenaed by definition. It would be like expecting Hertz to divulge a random customer’s favorite color. Why the fuck would a car rental company know a customer’s favorite color? How would they even find out? And how would an encryption service know what you’re encrypting?
If getting rid of privacy is what you think it takes to be safe and civilized in this world, you are not the latter and you don’t deserve the former.
Well, telegram has public and private conversations. So in this example, you’d know because they were having trafficking parties on their front yard and the police of multiple countries notified them to let them know. And then you were aware of this issue so you purposely avoided being in numerous countries that want to arrest you. Seems like he knew.
I mean depending on the crimes, yeah. If a child porn ring runs out of your building and you’re alerted to its continued existence, and the police are asking who lives there and you don’t tell them and keep renting to them? Yeah.
From translating TFA:
Same reason Russia wanted to arrest him, failure to do the government’s bidding.
So your pro arresting gun and ammo manufacturing company CEOs?
I’m all for it. Time to end the guns supply chain.
Next up, outlawing pencil erasers and flammable paper
Next they’ll make encrypting your own files illegal. Absolutely preposterous. Do better police work!
By that logic we should arrest all Car company CEOs for being complicit in crime lol, it’s not exactly his choice what people do with his product
Not really comparable because the illegal content is hosted and distributed through his servers. Which is why most sites are moderated to a degree. This dude basically said “fuck off” whenever takedowns were issued. It’s hardly a surprise that he’s been arrested.
Illegal content is distributed through snail mail and telephones too, but those are common carriers so they aren’t liable. Why should Telegram be any different?
Snail mail and telephones can moderate what’s happening?
They can open every piece of mail and read the contents.
Yes
But, have you noticed that after committing a crime, criminals and felons usually escape… using a car?
This is more like arresting the getaway driver, not the car manufacturer.
Not sure. I was just bored and was making a funny comment.
Except the getaway driver is just a cabbie who will drive anyone who gets in. He didn’t know he was part of a heist.
Would you hold the CEO of lyft responsible if one of their self-driving cars were used in a heist?
If the CEO of Lyft got repeated warnings that this very thing was happening and ignored them willfully, then yes. In the end he has nobody to blame but himself. It’s no different from hosting a file sharing platform without ever vetting the content and wondering why the cops show up one day. The stupidity of going to France knowing that you’re a wanted man in a number of countries is just the cherry on top.
So if I lease a car it’s comparable? Rent a car, commit a crime, boom — rental company is on the hook. Moronic.
The rental company, on the other hand, is more than willing to turn you in to not be considered liable. Which they probably would be if they impeded an investigation.
Except that’s disanalogous, since it is impossible for an encryption service to provide the information being subpoenaed by definition. It would be like expecting Hertz to divulge a random customer’s favorite color. Why the fuck would a car rental company know a customer’s favorite color? How would they even find out? And how would an encryption service know what you’re encrypting?
If getting rid of privacy is what you think it takes to be safe and civilized in this world, you are not the latter and you don’t deserve the former.
So… you’re saying your own analogy is disanalogous…
Most analogies are, its better to stick to facts
landlords should be prosecuted for crimes commited by tenants in houses they rented out to the tenants.
People need houses to live. Taking stuff off your own server doesn’t throw someone out onto the streets and leave them to the elements. Come on lol
If the landlord knows it’s happening and let it happen then yeah, that’s what being complicit is all about
how are you meant to know, by impeding on your tenant’s privacy constantly?
Well, telegram has public and private conversations. So in this example, you’d know because they were having trafficking parties on their front yard and the police of multiple countries notified them to let them know. And then you were aware of this issue so you purposely avoided being in numerous countries that want to arrest you. Seems like he knew.
I mean depending on the crimes, yeah. If a child porn ring runs out of your building and you’re alerted to its continued existence, and the police are asking who lives there and you don’t tell them and keep renting to them? Yeah.
Insane logic. Physical cars =/= software platforms
The criminals ate bread before the heist, better round up all the grain farmers