I mean, do you? This is a violation by Russia of another sovereign state. Thus, everyone in Russia is affected by the consequences of that action.
The Russian kernel coders, no matter their innocence, are subjects of a nation that can compel them to misbehave.
Now, if they were leaving Russia and defecting, that’s another matter, where they are pulling their individual sovereignty away from the Russian state.
There will always be something to pick at, and with the number of trolls on here to inflame and manipulate any legitimate concerns, i highly suspect the troll farms and related pawns would find something to bitch about.
The fact is, not everyone has the EQ to state the issue perfectly clearly in terms everyone can accept.
“No, do you really expect me to look past what Russia is doing? Absolutely fucking no,” is basically reasonable.
No, I also found the way he handled it really distasteful. Even before his response, just generally the way the whole thing was attempted under a veil wasn’t great. The actions taken should have been transparent from the start.
I do agree that it shouldn’t be polluting this thread like this though.
Hey, all of those people knew in advance what will happen. I know people who are working for companies under sanctions, that were contributing to kernel before the war, and all of them knew that at some point they might be banned from that, and they still aren’t, their contributions just aren’t merged without review.
The Russian sympathisers trying to spin it as their sudden act of russophobia out of the blue, but it’s absolutely everything but. When you work for Putin and his war, you shouldn’t be surprised that people don’t trust you implicitly.
What is the point of this comment? Linus was childish as hell in the email chain and started a bunch of drama for literally no reason. I’m not mad as much as I am embarrassed to be a part of the Linux community when things like this happen.
We have to face is Linus might be good intentionned but his years on the internet have made him an remorseless abrasive juvenile dickhead. I wish he’d lampshade it because most of the tine he comes off as just a nasty arogant goblin. It’s clear he feels permitted for his accomplishment and hard work to take his frustrations on others and it’s clear he knows it’s really not fucking helping but it seems he simply can’t help himself. Like being nice is a sign of weakness.
There are points of power (like code run all over the world) that are desirable targets for malicious actors.
So, those who are subject to a malicious foreign power, whether they are innocent or not, because they are subject to a power that is not innocent.
We don’t need to attack those people, but we need to deny the Russian state the capacity to affect those points of power where we can. They claim Russian citizenry, and so they are impacted by Russia’s choices, and the international responses to Russia’s actions.
It’s companies that under sanctions, it’s not only drones, its banks that finance the war, and companies that are trying to censor the internet and destroy the privacy, that sort of things.
How would you even know what ties a person has when the problem is government level security. Besides, Russia doesn’t exactly work on government payrolls anyway, it’s more about working in subsidiary companies owned by the oligarchs who are able to skirt the law effectively becoming the government in the process. It’s totally foreign to Western style government, there is nothing like it in the world
It’s very simple. The US government maintains a list of sanctioned entities and companies. US citizens and businesses are not allowed to do business with these entities. Most of the removed maintainers either used their company email, or very publicly are employees of these sanctioned companies.
There’s no investigation of connections or anything complicated going on here.
Also, if you think corporations becoming effective government is some Russia specific thing, I have a bridge to sell you.
He took the authorization for a bunch of Russians from being able to keep working on the Linux stuff. I’m def not remembering everything and I’d suggest you searching any news about it, it’s an interesting read
ITT: people upset claiming Torvalds is political getting all political on a post about kernel improvements.
I’m OOTL. Why are people upset with Torvalds?
He followed legal advice from lawyers and removed some russians from being kernel maintainers to comply with sanctions.
He went beyond that. “As a Finn, do you really expect me to up in arms to support the Russians…”
Bravo, slow-clap.
I mean, do you? This is a violation by Russia of another sovereign state. Thus, everyone in Russia is affected by the consequences of that action.
The Russian kernel coders, no matter their innocence, are subjects of a nation that can compel them to misbehave.
Now, if they were leaving Russia and defecting, that’s another matter, where they are pulling their individual sovereignty away from the Russian state.
People are more mad about how he did it rather than just the action he took. If he just explained why without being a prick nobody would care.
There will always be something to pick at, and with the number of trolls on here to inflame and manipulate any legitimate concerns, i highly suspect the troll farms and related pawns would find something to bitch about.
The fact is, not everyone has the EQ to state the issue perfectly clearly in terms everyone can accept.
“No, do you really expect me to look past what Russia is doing? Absolutely fucking no,” is basically reasonable.
“Without being a prick” Dawg being a prick is his primary way of communication, power to him
Lemmy.ml accounts mad a f.
No, I also found the way he handled it really distasteful. Even before his response, just generally the way the whole thing was attempted under a veil wasn’t great. The actions taken should have been transparent from the start.
I do agree that it shouldn’t be polluting this thread like this though.
Hey, all of those people knew in advance what will happen. I know people who are working for companies under sanctions, that were contributing to kernel before the war, and all of them knew that at some point they might be banned from that, and they still aren’t, their contributions just aren’t merged without review.
The Russian sympathisers trying to spin it as their sudden act of russophobia out of the blue, but it’s absolutely everything but. When you work for Putin and his war, you shouldn’t be surprised that people don’t trust you implicitly.
Wrong
What is the point of this comment? Linus was childish as hell in the email chain and started a bunch of drama for literally no reason. I’m not mad as much as I am embarrassed to be a part of the Linux community when things like this happen.
We have to face is Linus might be good intentionned but his years on the internet have made him an remorseless abrasive juvenile dickhead. I wish he’d lampshade it because most of the tine he comes off as just a nasty arogant goblin. It’s clear he feels permitted for his accomplishment and hard work to take his frustrations on others and it’s clear he knows it’s really not fucking helping but it seems he simply can’t help himself. Like being nice is a sign of weakness.
He’s practically always been like this. If anything he’s notably softened with age.
Only those with ties to Russian Government? like govt jobs etc? or all?
There are points of power (like code run all over the world) that are desirable targets for malicious actors.
So, those who are subject to a malicious foreign power, whether they are innocent or not, because they are subject to a power that is not innocent.
We don’t need to attack those people, but we need to deny the Russian state the capacity to affect those points of power where we can. They claim Russian citizenry, and so they are impacted by Russia’s choices, and the international responses to Russia’s actions.
Yes, only those with ties to the war, e.g. people who work for companies that develop software used on Russian drones.
But people are angry that this wasn’t explained from the beginning.
I understand why people were mad it wasn’t made clear in the beginning. if it’s just people with ties to the war then it’s a good thing they did.
It’s companies that under sanctions, it’s not only drones, its banks that finance the war, and companies that are trying to censor the internet and destroy the privacy, that sort of things.
Yes, the drones was just an example, hence the “example given” before it.
How would you even know what ties a person has when the problem is government level security. Besides, Russia doesn’t exactly work on government payrolls anyway, it’s more about working in subsidiary companies owned by the oligarchs who are able to skirt the law effectively becoming the government in the process. It’s totally foreign to Western style government, there is nothing like it in the world
It’s very simple. The US government maintains a list of sanctioned entities and companies. US citizens and businesses are not allowed to do business with these entities. Most of the removed maintainers either used their company email, or very publicly are employees of these sanctioned companies.
There’s no investigation of connections or anything complicated going on here.
Also, if you think corporations becoming effective government is some Russia specific thing, I have a bridge to sell you.
He took the authorization for a bunch of Russians from being able to keep working on the Linux stuff. I’m def not remembering everything and I’d suggest you searching any news about it, it’s an interesting read
From being able to work on Linux stuff without having their contributions reviewed by someone else.
It’s an important distinction many seem to miss.