Could it be a purposeful effort by foreign entities to discredit and dilute american corporate giants reputations by placing sympathetic people into positions that would bring that about?
“reputations” hehe, nice one.
People downvote you, but that could well be true.
Then still the right course of action would be very different from supporting and bailing out etc the contaminated organization.
And then one can also think about other organizations possibly contaminated.
why would boeing need help damaging its reputation? It seems to be doing a great job of that on its own.
So you dont think the people running things could be put there by any actions of a foreign nature? For instance a hiring manager, hr executive, or someone in a similar role?
I think its more if you look at what they did and the problems they’re having all came after a merger with McDonnel Douglas and seem to be a typical case of corporate “fire people for reporting bad numbers” aka “kill the messenger” along with lots of outsourcing. Which results in numbers go up but at the cost of QA/QC.
This is all standard reaganomics and like nearly every other company that went down this road while selling real physical products they’re now reaping the fruits they’ve sown for over 20 years.
Sounds reasonable
Ahahah. No.
Just a thought
Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
s/tumble/crater/
The most surprising thing here to me is that someone was buying a 737 Max 3 months ago.
Yeah, I’d love to know what airline that was so I can make sure I never give them my business.
Millennials are killing the 737 Max industry!
Interestingly enough, even if it would make sense that boeing is now fully focusing on improving quality, it also makes sense to me that airbus must be ensuring and pushing a lot of quality upgrades as well, it would be perfect marketing for them if no mistakes whatsoever happened on airbus’s planes
And if they didn’t develop the culture of sweeping safety issues under the rug at all levels, they won’t have much trouble keeping ahead because I’m sure that even at the height of Boeing’s safety ignoring, I bet most of the communication still looked like they took safety seriously. Just those in the know realized that they could make themselves look better by faking it and their management wouldn’t care. I’ve gotta assume that some number of them will think the current safety culture overhaul is really trying to send a message of “just be smarter about ignoring safety, don’t let it get to the point where doors fall off mid-flight and we need to kill some whistleblowers”.
Even if they gave them away for free, no one would take them for commercial use. Not sure who would be surprised at this ‘news’
Despite the recent slow sales, Boeing still has a huge backlog of over 5,600 orders
I mean, they totally would. Do you think the fine folks at American airlines have moral compasses that are orders of magnitude greater than boeing’s?
I assume their customers would start looking for flights that use safer planes
They have been. The problem is twofold; Airbuses are limited in the U.S., and airlines have increased the rates on those tickets because I guess a working airplane is now considered a premium.
The 737 Max is a garbage product they crashed and burned with their MCAS woes. They should give up the iconic product line and go all in on selling the safer 777 as its replacement. Yes, its built for a greater range, but the 777 hasn’t been fucked with in terms of fail-deadly systems yet, and its the safest plane Boeing has in its fleet.
If they do nothing, Airbus will get enough orders to expand its factories and blow through its backlog.
Or in an even darker timeline Lockheed-Martin or Raytheon will open a commercial division, I guess at least the shit will work
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I’m sure the millionaire dipshits who cut corners and killed people are super worried.
laughs in golden parachute
I also haven’t bought one.
This shows that there must be actual problems with their aircraft though because airlines are not going to care about public attitude, due to the company’s politics. But if they are genuinely unsafe vehicles or have the potential to be unsafe vehicles, then they’ll stay away.
If public attitude ever got significant enough that they couldn’t fill a certain model of plane they would definitely stop buying them, that said I’m not sure we’re at that point.
Every person I know who has flown in the last six months has inquired about the manufacturer of their plane before boarding
Flight booking websites literally added these plane models so you could filter out specific planes to avoid those flights because of these stories.
GOOD. How are those profits looking now, you murderous fucks?
they need to make a reality show out of what it looks like to be held accountable and go through the justice system, using some of these soulless pieces of shit as examples. showcase the turmoil of the disgraced family torn apart and offer no help. the public can laugh at their pain the same way they certainly laugh at the issues of the common people they neglect and oppress.
Essentially John Oliver’s episode on Boeing.
I’ll have to check that out then
Fine when the government steps in to bail them out.
They’ll just sack some more engineers to cut costs, and hire more sales & marketing.
“Sack”
stuff them into a sack maybe
You can only do so much marketing though. People don’t want to fly in these planes if it means a huge risk to their life. It’s simpler to just say no thanks. Businesses don’t want them if customers aren’t going to pay to fly on them. So marketing can only do so much. In the end your product needs to work. If it doesn’t, then again people don’t want to fly in them… And so on.
More sales people to handle all the sales they’re not getting?
An engineer makes engines and a sales persons makes sales, right?
Actually a sailor makes sales.
Unlike a lot of sectors though, Airbus knows what they’re doing and is a high profile alternative, and unlike the US, hasn’t yet completely internalized our sociopathic greed disease to our degree, despite the global economic pressure we inflict on other nations encouraging them to betray and cause harm to their own societies and citizens if it means an extra nickel of short term private profit.
Don’t worry though, the UK has fallen to the greed disease, and our capitalists are bribing and coercing their way eastward, and they won’t stop until they either are physically stopped by something like climate change, or make the world forget that Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.
Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.
What complete gutter trash talk. Economies serve the master of mankind.
Master of mankind
1998 Hell in a cell reference, yeah? That’s the only thing that coherents up this comment
If by mankind you mean about 30kish sociopath families on the backs of billions and to the detriment of the long term climate our only habitat, then sure.
And to be fair, those 30kish sociopath families would largely agree they’re the only mankind that counts.
Sorry about my gutter trash mouth btw, I’ll work on that.
Also Boeing is buying back it’s fuselage supplier that it originally spun of into it’s own business (because it wasn’t profitable for Boeing back then).
The problem now is that supplier also makes fuselages for Airbus. So Boeing is gonna be making them for Airbus…
Oof. Oligopolies/duopolies shouldn’t exist, but here we are.
Ehhh there’s… Embraer?
Bring back grumman!
won’t stop until they […] are physically stopped by something like climate change
Ah I see you’re an optimist.
I have just come to acceptance with who we are, and enjoy the accidental poetry of our reckless worship of greed/gluttony/growth/metastasis being our, accelerating going by the latest science still going on deaf ears, end.
I also enjoy all the very corporate culture like bargaining that’s going on with cold, hard, unflinching physics. Oh we won’t make our non-binding emissions goals and grid standards, so we’ll just roll those back, the climate will understand!
We’re tackling our own self-inflicted, reverse terraforming climate disaster with the stages of grief because we refuse to stop and change how we live to find homeostasis with this world, so this isn’t going to end well, and just with like clean coal/corn ethanol/plant a tree offsets/planet scale carbon scrubbers and all the other private profit driven snake oil “solutions,” we aren’t going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.
we aren’t going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.
In-fuckin-deed. All the talk about “carbon capture” schemes makes my skin crawl.
Well it’s either that or delusional parasitosis that makes my skin crawl, but anyhow.
Of all the Dystopias, I think we’re closest to Elysium at the moment.
Yeah, although without the cool space station and cyberpunk-ish tech. I doubt we’ll get that far.
I see The Road primarily, but I could also give a nod to The Road Warrior…
Summary:
- Boeing sales tumbled in May, with only 4 new plane orders and no orders for the 737 Max for the second straight month
- This compares unfavorably to Airbus, which reported net orders for 15 planes in May
- Boeing also saw Aerolineas Argentinas cancel an order for a single Max jet
- Boeing’s stock fell 3% in afternoon trading
- The poor sales results follow weak figures in April, when Boeing reported 7 sales with none for the Max
- Boeing hopes the slow pace reflects a lull before the upcoming Farnborough Airshow, but the company is facing issues like the FAA capping 737 production and allegations of production shortcuts and falsified inspection records
- Despite the recent slow sales, Boeing still has a huge backlog of over 5,600 orders
Despite the recent slow sales, Boeing still has a huge backlog of over 5,600 orders
I wonder what those orders are? They could be mainly orders for extra bolts.
Not sure if this is serious. Boeing and Airbus are booked with orders for the next several years. They both could not get a single new order and would have work to do for the next half decade.
Not sure if this is serious.
if you are really not sure whether this:
They could be mainly orders for extra bolts.
is serious, then i recommend to not attempt crossing a street without supervision 😜
its a valid question.
“Are they orders for whole planes, or for anything boeing might produce such as bolts?”
Does that simplify it for you? Careful crossing the streets
its a valid question.
no, it is not.
do you really think that article talking about number of ordered planes suddenly switched to number of spare parts? does that sound logical to you? if you don’t recognize such obvious sarcasm, you really shouldn’t try to deliver burns to others, you’ll just burn yourself in the process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries
long story short: the numbers mean whole aircraft. i hope it is simple enough for you.
Took that real personally, huh
They are for whole planes. As these sales figures always are.
FYI same goes for car sales.
Several years is an understatement. At current rates of production it will take at least 14 years to fulfill all orders.
TIL me & the boys should be building sky birds
for extra bolts.
Extra self sealing stem bolts probably
100 gross of self sealing stem bolts!
I would trust the Ferengi more than Boeing executives at this point.
And so you should. Our products are of the highest quality.
Boeing is the industry in the military-industrial-complex. Commercial jetliners are an ancillary product for them.
No, their airlines are not an ancillary product. They are their main product. According to Boeing’s earnings reports, the commercial aircraft segment of the company made up 56% of total revenue in 2018, 42% in 2019, 27% in 2020, 30% in 2021, 38% in 2022, and 43% in 2023. The rest of their revenue is split between the Defense, Space and Security segment, and the Global Services segment.
Prior to 2017, the vast majority of the earnings for the whole company came from the Commercial Airplanes segment. Since then, that segment has been operating at a loss. Since 2022, both Defense and Commercial Airplanes have been operating at a loss.
If you’re curious you can look up Boeing’s 10-k form. Page 56 has the revenue breakdowns.
Those are orders for the 737. Not parts, newly constructed aircraft. Airbus’s similary sized A320 has a backlog of 7197 according to wikipedia.
No need to worry, following what the CEO of Boeing called quality escapes regarding doors falling off, Boeing is now just facing the following profit and customer escapes.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/boeing-alaska-airlines-door-plug-b2477577.html
It’s not so much what the Boeing CEO called the issue so much as a technical term for when a non-conforming product gets sold at its planned inspection operation.
Well, keep buying back stock, that seems to help.
Boeing got ruined in the name of capitalism.
