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      Dude fuck off, I’m sorry but there is no viable “tell Israel to get fucked” candidate. Biden isn’t bombing Gaza personally, the US military isn’t bombing Gaza. The GOP has showed they staunchly want to see it escalate and wipe Gaza off the map completely, this is a holy proxy war for them. Israel and its genocide has overwhelming support in US politics. None of this makes it right, but it does make it not a relevant issue in this presidential race.

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        It’s nice to see that some people will morally compromise for “just a little genocide”, either enacted or enabled (which is functionally the exact same). Must be so convenient and freeing to be so absent the weight of a conscience.

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          It must be so freeing to live a life so simple and ignorant that you think your little world can be zero harm and morally perfect while living a lifestyle that would be remotely sustainable for the world. The world is a big and scary place and a democracy is made up of a myriad of perspectives on the world. We all do the best we can with the choices we have. To pretend that we can accomplish anything by refusing to participate in an imperfect system is absurd fantasy.

          By all means protest, organize etc toward noble goals. But don’t act like “both candidates bad, myeh” is a real stance.

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            If both candidates support genocide then my moral line in the sand is crossed, no reasonable person who’s against genocide can vote for either. But if genocide is on your list of ok things, then I’m sure it’s a very complicated issue for you.

            Don’t worry, your mother and I will teach you about the basics about morality when you’re an adult.

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              This is pretty fundamental trolley problem stuff. If one choice kills 10 million and the other choice kills 5 million but protects the other 5 million, you refusing to participate entirely isn’t a noble stand, it’s saying you don’t give a shit about the other 5 million.

              I care too much about these vulnerable people to help these other vulnerable people while not actually helping the other vulnerable people is just being an idiot.

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      The truth is, you didn’t need to convince me. I think Biden is a monster. The meme is a set of jokes written in the voice of a mainstream American political pundit, not a genuine reflection of my personal attitudes.

      My personal attitudes are that every US president is a war criminal, and Biden, Bush, Cheney, and Blinken should be hauled off to the international criminal court.

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        One Hitler is attempting to make progress towards education, establishing renewables, fixing the failures of redlining, further investing in farming, protecting natural reserves, alleviate student debt, bring manufacturing state side, holding companies more accountable, having politicians that actually represent their constituents, having a focus on making medication more available and making fairly significant strides in funding for cancer research.

        And well, the other Hitler is attempting to become president for the rest of his life, bury the voices of minority and LGBT voices in the sand and preventing these people from holding cabinet positions, vying for corporate tax write-offs, and campaigning on literal hatred.

        But yeah, both sides are the same for us. None of it matters because both would participate in the war machine.

        Sorry, the idea that Trump would be better for Gaza is literally insane to me. He has said “finish the problem” in support of Israel, so, in fact, no he would not be better. He would be far, far worse. In literally every aspect imaginable. Side note: Biden has been criticized lately for not being present in cabinet meetings. Trump was literally not present at the same ones during his time in office. We are voting for the Presidential Cabinet, not just the President.

        Do we want someone like Betsy DeVoss for Secretary of Education again? Do we really want someone like Scott Pruit for the head of the EPA again? Like come on people, Biden sucks in so many ways but he has a cabinet that at least attempts to be beneficial for people like us. Queer politicians can actually feel safe having a job in the government, and the more of us that exist in politics the more change we can make.

        Edit: Wrote all this before learning Biden has dropped out. Wow!

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      I was surprised by this comment… Until I saw you just joined here (probably from Reddit) where comments like that get upvoted by bots and it’s a echo chamber which has gone full stupidity as of late in many subs

      There’s literally no evidence of that.

      And the fact he has just endorsed a black woman for president makes it more ridiculous.

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    What does it take for you to label a Hitler a Hitler? You watch someone kill thousands of children based on racism and decide they’re not a Hitler?

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    Hate her because she was prosecutor but at least she’s not the undead monster that is Bo Jiden.

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    I imagine Trump has only a partial check there. He’s not any young, just seems to be hiding that fact better.

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        There’s a slurry of drugs keeping the Jonestown dreamsicle on his feet, I don’t know if he’s any more alive than an LLM at this point. He’s certainty less cogent than one.

        At least Biden is still just running in “old human” mode.

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      First: I don’t get to vote in presidential elections (I’m a Californian).

      Second, Biden isn’t going to be on the ballot in November.

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    Mark Kelly.

    Navy Pilot, Navy Captain, Astronaut, Senator, husband of Gabby Giffords, twin brother of Scott Kelly with similar resumé, and he’s only 60. He and his brother can each win two terms and still be younger than Trump is now.

    He also flips red states blue: he’s pretty much the only Democrat who has won anything in Arizona in decades.

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      I’ve actually been casting him as VP in my head for like four weeks now.

      I think it’s more likely than Biden being president next year, so fingers crossed.

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        Harris will get steamrolled by either Trump or Vance; Kelly wipes the floor with both of them. I think Kelly needs to be on the top of the ticket, and Harris needs to step down as well.

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          Did you not read the graph? She’s a lock.

          I mean, Kelly is a lock too. Anyone who can fog a mirror and doesn’t get an erection watching Starship Troopers will win this election. But Harris is kind of right there already, so that works for me. She could probably keep using the same email address and business cards. That’s a nice plus.

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          Unfortunately I think casting away Kamala as the pick would do more harm than good. She is the likely candidate. Joe can even make the transition smooth by entrusting the rest of his legacy with her, which is the reason he chose her as a VP in the first place.

          People also know the name Kamala Harris, and they’ve known it for years now. It’ll be a huge turn to bring in a new candidate on top and do all of the rallying needed to get votes.

          I think Kamala’s success will spend on the VP choice, her administration, and her campaign team more than her herself.

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            She doesn’t have a significant enough presence to challenge Trump. People may know her name, but they couldn’t pick her out of a lineup.

            Kelly just has to stand there while being introduced as “Astronaut” or “Fighter Pilot” to remind everyone that Trump hasn’t actually done anything with his life.

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      Seriously, try being the candidate talking shit about an astronaut and decorated servicemember. “I like people who stay on Earth.” Well I don’t!

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          He could retort by saying that he was obeying gravity, but falling continuously towards the earth while traveling at a speed that kept him from hitting the ground.

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            That implies the earth is round which might alienate some voters from that base.

            Although… It might attracted the “I’m a sekrit abelian” bloc…

            We should shop this, maybe do a tabletop…

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        Adam Schiff is a lawyer and California Democrat. He would easily win the blue states, but so would about 30 million other Democrats.

        The red states will hate him, and he’s opposed by BLM, so he won’t be competitive in the swing states either.

        There’s nothing special about him.

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          That’s fair. I’d vote for him, but then again I’d vote for a soggy roll of single-ply toilet paper over Trump.

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      “only 60” - the depressing state of politics. There’s a good amount of places where you’d retire before completing a single term at that age.

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        And the reality is modern medical science has made 60 the new 50.

        Which kinda works. because modern education has made 20 the new 14.

        /s
        //class wars are awesome!

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        Agreed. I’m rather tired of the nation being run by workaholics. I want to retire someday. I want a candidate who shares that value, and builds a nation where I can do that.

        Ideally, I think the oldest a candidate should be is 57 at the beginning of their first term, so that they retire from professional politics by 65.

        That being said, no candidate is ever going to be perfect, and, he’s still 24 years better than the current option.

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          Good thing China has a number of honey trap spies. I’m sure Schiff will be eager to tell them all the dirty, dirty secrets of a US President

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      Mark Kelly as Kamala’s VP? Having that balance of ethnicity would help her get the votes. It’s exactly why Obama picked Biden

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        Kelly’s “blue” credentials are sound, and his history will appeal to many otherwise “red” voters. He is a real threat to poach votes from Trump’s base in red and swing states.

        Harris can’t do that. She’s a lawyer, and everyone hates lawyers.

        But nobody votes for the bottom of the ticket. Harris/Kelly loses; Kelly/Harris wins.

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      If there’s an asshole in a protected category that the Democratic Party can find and utilize to their benefit, you can bet they’ll find 'em.

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      Ok, now make a mosaic of Trump from all the Americans he killed by fucking up the COVID response, all the Kurds killed by his betrayal, and all the children imprisoned and misplaced for seeking asylum.

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        now make a mosaic of Trump from all the Americans he killed by fucking up the COVID response

        only if you promise to make one for all the people killed from Biden’s failed response as well. you better hurry, you’ve got about 500 a day to add.

        all the Kurds killed by his betrayal

        I believe the quote goes “It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal”. (rest in piss Kissinger, the world is better off without you)

        all the children imprisoned and misplaced for seeking asylum.

        ICE and the cages still exist, and in fact have received increased funding year over year.

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        Ok, now make an argument for Harris that isn’t “Trump Bad”

        We know he is, the problem is Harris is bad, too.

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        ffs USA, surely you know that democracy is about electing the people most citizens like, rather than the people most citizens don’t not like…