Hello World,
Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.
Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.
At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.
As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one’s stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.
We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.
Thank you,
The Lemmy.World Team
Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.
The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.
Defederation is the best response imo.
It is funny to mention Trump around tankies and watch their heads explode. They can’t pretend Trump is a communist, but their propaganda masters don’t want them to turn against the Republicans, so they’re just in this weird space where the only thing they can do is aggressively avoid the topic at all.
I’ve seen them actively celebrate that they don’t suffer from “Trump derangement syndrome” like liberals (supposedly) do. The longer you watch them, the more pro-fascism you see slip through
Don’t forget the classical “liberals are the real fascist allies”
I’ll clear that one up since everyone here seems to be boldly making inaccurate claims. They say that because media outlets and people will spend more time analyzing and critiquing Trump eating McDonalds or typing covfefe than the US, say, drone striking innocent Afghani people or the utter shit show that Libya has become due partially to the efforts of Clinton and Obama.
hexbear had an entire thread with hundreds of comments where they all agreed they hated trump and viewed him as an odious fascist
https://lemmy.ml/post/4040923?scrollToComments=true
The closest thing you find to support for trump in there is some of them thinking he is a less effective imperialist.
Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.
It’s been like that since the past 100 years.
I’m not even sure they’re really tankies anymore (or the meaning of the word is changing). Actual tankies still ostensibly support communism, but all too often, it’s blatantly apparent that they’re actually right-wing totalitarians cosplaying.
They’re tankies in the original sense. The word came from an incident where there was an actual honest to god socialist movement when workers were seizing the means of production, and “communist” Russia sent literal tanks to shut it down. A reporter happened to observe the whole thing in person and tried to write up the story, but his editors would only print the official U.N. statement that the tanks were stopping a fascist movement.
Thanks I’ve been wondering where the term originated
Yep, it’s easy to bait them too. You make a post or comment calling out tankies for supporting authoritarianism, and out of the woodwork scurry all the “socialists and communists” to downvote you.
Thing is, a real socialist or communist hates authoritarianism too.
[Looks around nervously]
Aren’t we gathering here too? This defederation seems like tankies not taking over.
Anecdotally I was in a bunch of actual leftist subreddits; I only departed because capitalists enshittified the whole website.
Maybe you just didn’t recognize it. Reddit leftist spaces were famously led by tankie mods.
Yup, you would call out their BS and you get banned. The system was perfect and no one is allowed to fully criticize it.
It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda
The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.
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May I see the hate speech?
I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.
Thank goodness.
I’m reminded of a story I read a while back - not sure where - about how if you let a Nazi into your bar, you eventually end up running a Nazi bar. I think the same applies to online forums. You let Nazis overrun a forum, everyone else leaves, and eventually you might as well just be running Stormfront.
Isn’t that also kind of what is happening to Twitter right now?
A stupid thought that I just had. An X is 4 bars from a swastika.
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Thank fucking god. It’s exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material. That would allow both sides to debate how they judge such behavior.
Right now there are celebrating comments but I haven’t seen bad behavior myself, even in heated debates. That let’s me assume that many are thin skinned or unable to refute lemmygrad’s political opinion.
If I understand lemmy correctly then banning lemmygrad will prevent its users from participating in any debate on a lemmy. world community. Does a lemmy instance exist that federated with everybody where important communities should be hosted?
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material.
Duh. They already have. It’s there all day every day. Peruse it as often as you like, at your own convenience. You can even filter by removed posts, removed comments, and banned users:
Modlog tells you all you need to know. Unless, of course, you don’t actually want to know it and you’re just JAQing us all off, lol.
Right now there are celebrating comments but I haven’t seen bad behavior myself, even in heated debates.
That’s because the moderators here are very, VERY good at what they do – which again, you’d know if you’d looked at the modlog.
Does a lemmy instance exist that federated with everybody where important communities should be hosted?
No one knows what “important communities” are to you. Stop looking for mind readers and start looking for instances that do not defederate for any reason, because they are out there.
You’re not trapped here. You have options. Take them.
Have you actually read through that modlog? Lemmygrad is a tiny fraction of it.
Yes, that’s how I know about it. When I want to find something specific I filter by action, and then I simply skim.
It’s a little time consuming, but not at all difficult.
The person to whom I was responding wanted a selection of offending comments, here it is:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveComment
I will note that usually the number of removed comments is so low that one page, maybe a page and a half will cover a full 24 hour period.
From what I saw when I looked at it just now – over five pages of removed shite in just half that time, 12 hours – I support the admins’ actions even more than I did when I first posted. And I didn’t think that was possible.
There is no way to filter modlog by user instance. After a few minutes pressing Next for removed comments and ctrl-f for lemmygrad.ml I didn’t find anything, but it looks like sometimes the instance url isn’t in the text anyway so maybe ctrl-f won’t even work here. It isn’t actually easy to find these examples.
It isn’t actually easy to find these examples.
Yes, it actually is:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveComment
You now have pages upon pages of offensive content through which you may browse at your leisure, which is what that commenter to whom I responded was demanding:
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material.
And there it is. If you wanted to find lemmygrad-specific material in there, I don’t think you actually tried because it is certainly there in abundance. I was able to find numerous examples just by hovering a mouse over the usernames.
Lemmy.world is run by the feds
lmao an ml user mad about tankies getting defederated. Totally on-brand.
What’s the deal with lemmy.ml? I’ve noticed a more aggressive/4channy tone to it compared to lemmy.world but I can’t find any more information about it
It’s got a lot of tankies. Also, they’ll ban you if you say you hate tankies because they love tankies on .ml
Lemmy.ml is one of the major main Lemmy instances, and it has a bunch of the development crew for the project on the admin team and moderation squad.
The ML, incidentally, was picked to stand for Marxist-Leninist. The core Lemmy devs are very politically left leaning, but that usually doesn’t cause many issues because there are enough instances running the software that you’re not locked into their echo chamber.
Gold
The ML, incidentally, was picked to stand for Marxist-Leninist
That’s not true. At the time it was simply picked because the TLD was cheap.
Amazing, Lemmy.world admins are giant cucks who try to censor other people based on their beliefs.
You can ban me all you want but I’ll keep coming back.
