Microsoft quietly changed how folder backup works in the OneDrive app on Windows 11. Now, the OS enables it by default during the initial setup without asking the user for permission.
  • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Real question here: has anyone else had luck side-stepping the Live365 signup during/after install? I’ve done this, and I’m very confused that more people haven’t.

    • Ace@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      iirc when going through the setup after a fresh install, I used sign in and typed in an email like fake@email.com with a keysmashed password. Because it’s obviously not an actual account and with a password that wouldn’t be correct, it’ll say as much but still let you continue into windows without signing in. Hope that helps

  • Asafum@feddit.nlEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Microsoft is doing an amazing job keeping me off selling windows 11!

    Keep up the great work!

    Guess it’s time for Linux and for me to give up gaming :/

    • OfficerBribe@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      If I understand it correctly this behavior happens only for newly deployed computers if you sign in with Microsoft account so there are no unexpected uploads to OneDrive, only downloads of your existing files if you used this feature before.

      Although once you start saving files you might not realise files are being saved to also OneDrive. All in all it is a weird and dumb change, that popup where you are prompted if you want to enable known folder move was perfectly fine.

      • Codilingus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Doesn’t the N mean it’s only media player, and codec free? If so, IoT LTSC is a much better bet for minimalism and privacy and bullshit free.

        • Lumisal@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          My bad, you’re right. I thought it also excluded the software that made automatic onedrive support possible but apparently not.

  • kandoh@reddthat.comEnglish
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    3 months ago

    The c-levels are really sick of all these new features they’re adding and no one is using them because of silly reasons like “they don’t work good” or “I can’t even see the point of this for me”.

    In their wisdom, they’ve taken the option to say no away from the users. Now they have a much easier time justifying their bonus this year, just look at how many users are using their new features!

    • PopShark@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Yeah they’ll take that bonus and then dip to another company and get a big resignation party and golden parachute while the rest of us stare in amazement

      • somebody who has worked at these types of companies

      Edit: Grammar is good and stuff

  • Magrath@lemmy.caEnglish
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    3 months ago

    How do I get banned from OneDrive? Upload shit tons of garbage to clog their drives? I know they could probably add more space faster than I can upload but it would still make me happy to slowly feed them useless files that only take up space.

    • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      This might actually be a very good idea.

      My first thought was to abuse something that rhymes with “Mild Topography”. But that would likely lead to legal repercussions for both you and Microsoft. A better solution would be to store hundreds of medical records in your Documents folder. You have a right to store your own medical information. If Microsoft is uploading those to their servers without your consent, and without appropriate HIPAA measures, that smells like an extremely silver-wrapped lawsuit.

      • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        The answer is incompressible noise. Hours of full on 8k video and 7.1 channel DTS of pure noise. There’s noise designed specifically to being incompressible and unable to deduplicate. I think some podcasts got in trouble with Spotify for something like this.

  • librejoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Let be honest here, a majority of users have their mobile devices backup automatically. They will see this in the same way…

    • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Just that I don’t have anything worthwhile on my phone. All the important stuff is on PCs. All the stuff that is professional, that is covered by NDAs, all the banking. And just because Microsoft has ever been shitty and is now going extra-shitty, it is not a Windows PC.

      Just wait until some Microsoft digital parrot AKA artificial “intelligence” spouts some companies internal data that it had gobbled up somewhere from the companies internal network…

      • librejoe@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Same here. I don’t have anything important, and my contacts are in a vcf file whenever I need it.

  • Fake4000@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    First recall, then getting rid of local accounts, and now this.

    Might shift back to Linux now.

      • IronKrill@lemmy.caEnglish
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        3 months ago

        For me? Recall. I’m ordering an SSD to dual boot Linux off of and ween myself off Windows as much as I can. Probably can’t remove it as long as I want to play games* with friends, but I’d be happy to have my day to day be less awful.

        * Before anyone says Proton, Wine, etc, I mean the awful multiplayer rootkits like Valorant.

        • variants@possumpat.ioEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I was in the same boat, I have a dual boot main machine now but I haven’t booted I to windows since I installed Pop!OS, I’ve been mostly just seeing what alternatives to everything so far, especially photo stuff, but I seem to be pretty settled now after messing with popos on a little thin client and little second pc I keep at work

  • seSvxR3ull7LHaEZFIjM@feddit.deEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I once turned that feature on thinking it was an actual backup (copies of my files in the cloud), I remember how angry I was when I found out it wasn’t a backup after all and just removed your files from your computer and only made them accessible online.

    • zingo@lemmy.caEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Wtf!

      Good thing I use to debloat windows 10 on a local account and got rid of onedrive before it could wreck havok so.

      But got to be honest, Far as long as I can remember, I always had backup of important data. Encryption - client side if off to the cloud.

      Shit I’m so old that I prefer my music on HDD instead of using streaming services.

      Using Linux nowadays too BTW.

    • Blaster M@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      You’re supposed to uncheck the save storage space and download files as you use them option.

      • The_v@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        They made it the default option for businesses that routinely buy computers with less local storage than their users need. Pretty much every company I have worked for.

        They then pushed it out hard into the consumer market when SSD came out and the average storage space on lower end models dropped by 75%.

        I see why they did it, how they did it was in usual Microsoft fashion, idiotic.

        It’s sort of their pattern.

        1. Introduce new changes.

        2. Screw it up royalty.

        3. Fix the features that are salvageable and revert most of the remaining except: Double down on the shitty ones that they think will make them more money.

        4. Rinse and Repeat

    • deweydecibel@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      You can see their strategy at work here.

      It is possible to keep individual files on the local hard drive with different settings (that in my experience never seem to stick past updates).

      The default, though, is to take everything on your computer off of your computer, put it into the cloud (their computer), and recommend you pick and choose which ones stay on your computer. In essence, they want you to think of your computer as secondary to their computer. An extension of it.

      There is no “your computer”, it’s just the computer you happen to be logged into at the moment.

      The cloud is not something you take advantage of, the cloud is where you live now.

    • rozodru@lemmy.caEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I use Revi. fresh install then immediately install Revi, gets rid of all the bloatware, copilot, onedrive, edge, etc.

      I’d switch to a linux install but I just don’t have to time to figure out which is the right one for me, installing it, configuring it, etc. I wish I did, wish I had the time to play around with it but I simply don’t. (I mean maybe someone smarter than me can tell me a linux distro that will work with world of warcraft, steam, final fantasy xiv, etc) so I have to settle with win 11+revi

      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I just don’t have to time to figure out which is the right one for me, installing it, configuring it, etc

        Ah, then you want Mint.

        I mean maybe someone smarter than me can tell me a linux distro that will work with world of warcraft, steam, final fantasy xiv, etc.

        Mint, ive had no issue with any of those except WoW, whose issue is that I do not play it to test it. it even handled modded FNV better than Windows ever did once I figure out SteamTinkerLaunch

        Dalamud (QuickXIVLauncher) even is on the distro software hub for easy download to your system, works great.

        • rozodru@lemmy.caEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I just want to follow up and say “thank you so much!” I took the dive and partioned out space for Linux Mint. played around with it for a bit and said “fuck it, I love this thing” and did a fresh install on my laptop deleting windows 11.

          Holy crap this thing has improved my laptop so much. it’s so damn fast, boots up quicklly and believe it or not my battery lasts longer now. I just spent hours customizing how it looks, it’s fun, it’s great.

          Also I was easilly about to install steam, elden ring, Final Fantasy XIV and even World of Warcraft and they all work, and run, better on this machine now.

          WoW was actually pretty easy to get going in all honesty. Instead of installing WoW directly on Litrus instead you install Battle.net via Litrus and it simply does the rest, EVEN going that route allowed me to install other blizzard games like Hearthstone without doing anything special.

          My only beef right now is I’m having issues customizing the panel like I want. Tried installing polybar and got in a bit over my head with i3wm but I’m sure I’ll figure that stuff out soon. Got a cool app launcher going that makes things so much easier, even changed the shell and got zsh going which is great.

          I love it, absolutely love it and won’t be going back to Windows ever. I imagine once I get a handle of Mint I might switch to a different distro like Arch (I love the look of that and how people have customized it) but for now this is perfect.

          • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            3 months ago

            I never saw your other comment asking for elaboration so I’m sorry for that, but super glad it’s working out for ya! You sound exactly like I did when I first swapped lol

            Good luck with the taskbar, we all find that one damn white whale!

          • rozodru@lemmy.caEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Mint is great, been using it for the past couple days and I’ve been able to get Elden Ring, FFXIV, WoW, Balatro, and FNV with a bunch of mods running on it very smoothly. all very easy to install. Steam games worked just like Windows for installing. WoW took a bit of extra steps but nothing difficult to do. Love Mint, it’s so easy to use. It’s like “hmm I wonder if I could customize or do this on it” and with Mint the answer 9 out of 10 times is yes.

    • Tamkish@programming.devEnglish
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      3 months ago

      The only two things making me use windows for now are my inability to run FL Studio on Linux (I tried before, I’ll try again)

      Procrastination to go through my files to see if there’s something worth backing up before I wipe my drive

      • ndondo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        3 months ago

        There are alternative DAWs but ngl they all make me sad. And some vsts are a nightmare to get running too.

        But they are alot better than trying to get fl running on Linux imo. Check out zrythm if you ever have some time to kill. It sounds lile the most promising one.

        • Tamkish@programming.devEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I’m just in love with FL’s keyboard roll and I’m just used to the entire daw. I don’t really want to switch to a different one

          • cravl@slrpnk.netEnglish
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            3 months ago

            I think Bottles has a ready-made profile for installing FL, last I saw it was marked as silver quality. Might be worth a try? I’m a Bitwig user so I haven’t needed to try it. :p (Though I have heard tales of FL’s magnificent piano roll.)

            • ndondo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Its honestly amazing. I keep hearing bitwig is the way to go if you want to use linux and also be happy

      • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        3 months ago

        These days it’s best to use Windows on computer where you need it for a specific application, and another machine for your desktop. Sometimes with a switch so you can use the same keyboard/mouse/monitor

        I know someone who uses one of those beelink minis or similar as a dedicated machine to run their 3d printer because the company doesn’t support Linux as well as Windows.

        It sucks to have to keep your nice production machine separate from your desktop, but it really beats the headache of virtualization or dual booting

    • TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      There are way too many nice features on Windows that don’t exist or are time consuming to set up on Linux. My only pain point on Windows, other than the stupid pop-ups advertising other services, are the fact that I can’t install individual GNU tools like nano easily.

  • CrowAirbrush@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I just turned it off as it kept bitching about the storage being full.

    I don’t need you bish, fuck off.

    • retrospectology@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Oohh, that’s a good way to potentially break this. Just download a ton of useless stuff and upload it onto OneDrive. People could make this service really expensive for Microsoft.

      • iAvicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        better yet upload gigabytes of senseless text and photos and let Microsoft train their AI on that

        • retrospectology@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Double whammy is a good idea.

          I want to take a picture of a brick and duplicate it over and over, then zip those up and duplicate that zip into OneDtive until it tells me I can’t any more.

    • Ace! _SL/S@ani.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      All of them.

      Biggest difference a distro does is their update cycle and how much the distro “takes care” of you. Some of them do everything behind the scenes to make it just work. Others need more user interaction to reach the same state (but tend to teach you the inner workings too, which will open up a LOT of customization)

    • Hubi@feddit.orgEnglish
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      3 months ago

      It just comes down to personal preference. Mint is usually recommended as a good starting point.

      • laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Give it a go, it was surprisingly not as big an issue as I thought it would be, even for gaming (though not perfect for gaming, I’ve been able to get things working without too much headache at least)

    • meathorse@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Phase one: force everyone’s data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.

      Phase two: MS secretly (or not so secretly) use all this data to train copilot.

      Human generated content to feed into ai systems is the new good rush

      • brsrklf@jlai.luEnglish
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        3 months ago

        force everyone’s data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.

        If it’s made without any agreement from the user (hundred pages long EULA doesn’t count), time to GRPD the fuck out of them.

          • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Not in the EU it doesn’t, unless they got the user to review that Agreement and agree before the sale took place.

            After the implicit contract which is the sale has been agreed to by both parties (the buyer gave the money, the seller took it), one of the parties can’t force the other party to agree to a new contract before they’re allowed to get the contractual benefits of the original contract (i.e. the buyer getting to use the product they bought, the seller getting to use the money they got).

            It doesn’t matter if the seller has such power de facto - legally they most definitelly can’t blackmail the buyer by denying them their side of the contractual rights they got in the Act of Sale by blocking their use of the product they bought until they agree to a new Agreement from the seller.

          • Optional@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            To be fair, they’re usually actually good at legally fucking everyone into the ground. The rest of the company they don’t really care that much as long as the money printer goes brrrrr

      • 4am@lemm.eeEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Rent seeking, theft/copyright infringement, walled garden you can’t escape (if Microsoft holds all your files good luck getting them back on Linux)

        Microsoft needs to die.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    For starters, bulk copying a person’s documents without their approval sounds like mass copyright violation.

  • iAvicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    “By involuntarily uploading your data to onedrive you also agree for it to be used in training AI models”