Because you now did it to yourself.
He’s already dehumanising foreigners (claiming they’re all criminals and eating peoples pets) and trying to claim LGBTI are criminals
So, it’s not actually a joke. He has already started following the Nazi playbook
And also, never, EVER tell me again that racists and misogynists are only old people.
Right down to hitler giving out the free beer
only for Americans : it was McDonald’s.
I think advocacy groups and other entities that were trying to make changes at a national or state level need to reevaluate their efforts. This election signals to me that the American people do not want these positive changes. They do not want to be civilized.
I think those advocacy groups should make a Pivot to Aid and focus their efforts on supporting the people that deserve it and want it, instead of trying to lift up a majority of people who do not want to be lifted up.
Spot on!
Because the candidate running against Hitler was so terrible that there was no enthousiasm left to stop Hitler?
Yes because never questioning has worked out great for us so far
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I just cannot get over the fact that if every man o. The country dropped dead the world be a better place.
You dumb, dumb motherfuckers.
Regards, the rest of the world.
They’d be upset if they could read.
Most of us can, and are also stunned by the dunbass other half of the population
Ironically I think you meant to type “dumbass” while criticizing reading comprehension.
I get it, probably on mobile, but I couldn’t NOT reply.
*Slightly less than half
mostof us can, and are stunned by the dumbass other half of the population FTFYYour math assumes 100% of the population votes.
Roughly 1/3 of the voting age population.
About 1/3rd of the voting age population do not vote.
We’re outnumbered 2:1
…as was the case in 1933 Germany…
Sure but a lot didn’t care. Less voters this time Trump votes stayed steady so. Lots of people who voted Biden where ok with Trump getting in.
clearly it’s more than half…
It’s not though. Voting is not mandatory and voter turnout in the US hovers only around 35-40% of the eligible population, on the high side.
The non-voters are also dumb.
Hey, that’ll get them to vote!
A little late now.
If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they’re pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision.
Maybe we should vote to round them up
thus?
Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters… It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that’s on the high side.
like the other commenter said, both trump voters as people who do not vote are stupid (except for those who were physically unable to vote in any way)
Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That’s around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn’t come down to a little more than half no matter who wins.
And the people that don’t vote don’t matter cause they don’t care either way.
Or they do care but don’t see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power
You could be smart enough to say “fuck you” to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign.
The dumbass other half fears “the establishment” to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing “the establishment” from your side could make them fear those more.
So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends.
Especially those saying that “the perfect is the enemy of the good” and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not.
You know who doesn’t have problems getting behind a candidate? The right wing. In a first past the post system, this is the best we can do until reforms occur. People have been calling for reforms, but the people who can make the changes are the ones who benefit from the system. So what would you have us do? The founding fathers made a really undemocratic system and the right wing exploits it to the fullest extent possible. Short of balkanization (which is probably coming soon), I’m really not sure what we could have done differently. Civil wars aren’t fun for anyone involved.
So no my non-cowboy friend, it’s not all of us. Lots of people have fought and died and struggled and protested for a better system just for the powers that be to ignore them. 1/3rd of the country doesn’t vote. The other 1/3rd actively wants to put my family in a death camp, and 1/3rd of us do what we can with what we have.
See you in Germany. So fucking done with the USA.
The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners.
It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian.
It was also supported by functional free press.
Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it’s not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s.
Isn’t Canada closer?..
Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature.
Or one of the Scandinavian countries.
I mean, if you want Germany, then fine.
French Guiana.
Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all.
Parts with jungle are better than parts without though.
OK, you are right. I just don’t like something about Germany.
Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German.
Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway.
And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible.
I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense.
You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK.
Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general.
Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature.
Silence! Je veux eviter la cohue!
Congratulations your disingenuous bullshit helped destroy America
Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn’t move her policy positions.
Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit.
Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family.
Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide.
Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice.
Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation.
Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters.
Gaza wa the easy issue.
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I’m not an American voter.
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My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris.
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I’d say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote.
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No reason to panic. It’s just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you’ve elected people who’ve never followed up on their promises.
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I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being “just an imperfect democracy” and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis.
Point 4 may be wishful thinking
True. But I can’t feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5.
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American here. Fuuuuc… Not what most of us wanted here on the West Coast.
Yeah, wtf is in the water out east?
Oh right, the lead
The southeast. The northeast did just fine.
This map shows a whole lot of fucking up.
You will get zero argument from me. This is a disgrace.
I’ve been trying to fall asleep for, uh, well the first dose of nyquil just wore off. This is going to be a fun night.
PA can fuck all the way off and not just cause I’m a Bruins fan
We fought hard and carried the team as best we could. We probably won’t be eating as much curb as some states, but fucking frustrating as hell that some Americans can’t get their shit together for 12 goddamn minutes. It’s like half the country forgot how bad 2020 was, not to mention the insane shit that went down day in and day out for years.
I hope, HOPE that we have the privilege of voting in four years, and that by some miracle, the president, Senate and house and SC (all projected to be Republican) somehow forget to fuck with our election system.
I almost wish we could just be our own country. Washington, Oregon, and California are already very much aligned with one another.
Have you considered… secession? 😉
Fuck no, that’d make the whole country red. We’re in this together
Hi, this sentiment from non-americans pisses me off and it’s okay, but I feel it’s important to explain why so I’m copying another comment I made today.
Goodness knows some of us are trying our best. I mean keep in mind our country is a democracy in name but systemically props up white supremacists in excess of the real popular opinion. And a media disinformation machine keeps the working class divided against itself, with open support from the wealthiest and owners of the most popular social media platforms. Social media platforms that, let’s be honest, are super recent inventions we are not yet capable of engaging with safely. It makes it an uphill battle to try to reach out to people whose necks aren’t on the line. And the responsibility to do so falls upon the disenfranchised themselves, who are increasingly saddled with economic and health burdens that might just kill us someday.
I get the potshots at Americans, but frankly I don’t plan on taking the blame if this goes tits up - many of us did a hell of a lot more than vote to resist fascism. Nothing happened here that isn’t happening elsewhere. And I’ll fight the notion that citizens at large are the problem. It’s a cynical outlook that serves to individualize the responsibility for a systematic disaster. Our country was built to make this possible after all. And I sure as hell know I don’t plan on giving up. Kind of morbidly curious about how much of an incompetent clusterfuck Project 2025’s implementation will be.
Victory or no, fascists are paper tigers and I plan on sticking around to remind them of that fact however I can.
You’re right. The sentiment more comes from the power the USA weilds globally vs the massive responsibility the population don’t seem to realise they have. If anything, the dumb motherfuckers will be the countries that keep allowing the USA to have this power while clearly the population - and by extension the new president - don’t take this responsibility seriously.
I’m lucky. I don’t live in Palestine or Ukraine, both of which are all but guaranteed to be fed to the wolves. It’s heartbreaking to watch the complacency of a population who think the price of eggs is worth more than thousands of people’s lives. But here we are… and we’re angry.
Fascists are paper tigers… bold statement. Especially if those paper tigers have access to the biggest military budget on the planet and are backed by an out-of-control police force.
Victory or no, fascists are paper tigers and I plan on sticking around to remind them of that fact however I can.
See, this is the issue.
It used to be this way. That until they’re actually in power (and I mean have removed the democractic process that could remove them from power again, too), fascists pose big but there’s no bite behind the bark.
But Jan 6 and Trump’s general antics being excused by his cronies in the SC have clearly shown that this is changing. People are emboldened by the fascist rise in all western countries, on top of the generally aggressive atmosphere worldwide as the older generations, unable to face their own misgivings and the shit they caused to pile up, would rather vote for fascism and “blaming Them™️” than accept that maybe it’s high time we accept some really rough times to turn the ship around.
Fully knowing that none of them will live long enough to actually suffer the outcome of their actions.Even my dad started voting AfD. His reason being “It’s time something changes!”. He’s just unhappy with the status quo, even if you fully tell him that he, personally, is among those suffering under the AfD and they’re open about wanting to make things worse for him. It’s impossible to reason with these people, as them wanting to be reasoned with would mean they’d have to accept that between climate change and the secondary monumental tasks of trying to handle that which are all inherently global super-issues, too, their generation only had it good in their days because they were living on credit.
But does he truly care? No of course not. He’s old. He can be contrarian and vote “against the establishment”, and that this fucks everything up more or less permanently isn’t a problem for him since he’ll be long dead by the time the issues that could have been prevented truly come into force. Much as we’re already seeing some issues such as curtailed bodily autonomy for women, increase in violent climes, and of course climate disasters.Things have changed. People fully do shit now simply because their age and general position in society shields them from the outcome, and they just want to be “against”. And they can openly flaunt this, so crime etc is on the rise. Big time.
Keep calm and carry on, mate. We here in Britain finally managed to get rid of the blonde fella who was wrecking our country, you can also do it. The new ones may not be much of an improvement, but I know one thing for sure - a decent citizen of any nation should never accept as their leader such a corrupted and crooked in so many ways person.
We traded an orange man for a white man and even that seemed to enrage the conservatives, a black woman? No chance. Proud to be an American here 🙄
Yeah, but still. How, how could anyone vote for this ekstra speshial man? And, more importantly, how can someone like me stay sane knowing that such morally corrupt candidates are winning votes, and not only in the US?
I legitimately do not understand why. The evidence is clear and there’s no attempt to hide the racism and xenophobia, I guess I just overestimated how my country feels about fascists. Thought we sorted this shit in the 40’s but I guess we’re doing the fourth Reich instead.
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore 👍
If you find answers to either of those, please let me know.
Well, good pills were an option for me once, for the second question. I can not over-state the importance of seeking help in case shit hits the fan for you personally. Especially if one, like me, was raised in a masculine environment where you being all manly can see a doctor twice in your life: when you are born and when you are dead. Outside of medication - taking a step back from social media helps immensely. As for the first q, i think a lot of people gave answers like “people are just bad”, and they may be right, but I do not want to accept it.
I mean clearly, to americans as a whole, women are scaaaary. Look at them taking their autonomy away with their anti-abortion laws.
Yeah with such a horrendous outcome, blame starts flying (it’s the republicans’ fault one billion percent more than anybody else’s, btw) and sometimes in moments of understandable fury people start saying shit. There are some people who this makes sense to say at, and some who it doesn’t, and they’re both Americans.
If the person saying it was born in a different country and did all the right things, they’d be saying this at themselves. For doing the right thing.
Whatever, precise wording and being super pissed off don’t go together. The sentiment that this is all super fucked up is right on the money.
There are always fighters like you which can’t be blamed. Nevertheless, most of the American voters are frankly deranged. As a Mexican who has been in the rural areas of the USA, it really fits.
Well said. Thank you.
Democrats handed this election to Trump, hold them accountable
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The word you’re looking for is Nazi. We just repeated the Madison Square Garden rally and here we goooo
Also the US: Look at those foreign countries, bad guys because of what their government is doing regardless of whether it’s what their people want.
It kills me …I got into it with a colleague this morning while discussing this very topic. When I brought up that whatever the current trending “bad guy” is, we will always see an increase in hate crimes against that demographic in our own country. When I used the increased attacks on anyone appearing to be slightly middle eastern after 9/11 as an example she angrily spat out that “they’ve killed thousands of us.” And I had to remind her that she was literally giving an example of what we were discussing.
Many, many Americans do not see things that way at all. You constantly encounter people saying that they like Chinese people but not the CCP, for example.
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So how dumb does that make the average american?
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Almost half of the voters makes you just 1/3 of the population.
As if the rest of the world wasn’t on the same slippery slope…
Things are looking glum all over.
Yeah but Americans not being ~56% the dumb fuckwits they seemingly are would have sent a good positive signal to the rest.
Now the opposite happens and the fascists everywhere will feel strongly encouraged, on top of strong US-support for autocratic Russia and big support for completely depopulating Gaza (after all, Trump is a big fan of Neta “finishing the job” in his own words).
Nah, don’t ‘what about…’ this.
You’re being too kind
True, but I love how the first we blame for this outcome are the American people.
I blame Kamala Harris and her botching her campaign. She had amazing momentum at the start, then slowly threw it all away, instead politicking to small businesses and Republicans instead of workers and their own base: Democrats.
They voted for a con man, a fascist, a criminal, someone who tried to steal the last election. Kamala could be a bowl of day old warm potato salad and voting for him would still be one of the dumbest things imaginable.
Doesn’t matter.
Self-interest matters. What politicians will do for voters matters. That day old potato salad may be better than Trump, but it’s not at all inspiring.
If Democrats really took fascism as a threat, they would have activated Tim Walz and his views and pushed as fast and as hard as they could with the time they had to make the most progressive campaign since Obama’s.
But they went after the base who would have voted for a fascist anyways.
This is Democrats’ own doing. Sorry.
When fully capable adults do stupid things, like voting for an man with as many very serious faults as Trump, I blame them for doing it. That Democrats were ineffective at convincing people (or inspiring them) not to do something stupid doesn’t make the thing any less stupid to do. Inspiration is not required to avoid being idiot.
When fully capable adults do stupid things, like campaigning to a voting base as grotesque as Trump’s, I blame them for doing it.
Democrats, or at least those in their establishment bubble either on TV, on podcasts, at the DNC, or on the congressional floor, will believe anything they want to that’ll pass on blame and hold to a superiority complex that they’re never wrong. Power corrupts and all that.
Inspiration is absolutely required when you outside of the representative Democracy have lost hope in the economy, society, or planet. Apathy is much more destructive than idiocy, even when the latter is in favor of fascism. Apathy is what lets fascism and idiocracy prosper. There needs to be a counterforce should we keep the alternative at bay.
Democrats did not take Trump’s potential to do the above seriously enough, either in his rhetoric to espouse fascism or cast mis- and disinformation. And now we have to deal with their failure.
I have to say when I watched the debate whilst Kamala herself impressed me, nothing she said felt very inspirational. I thought it was pretty clear what big picture items the base wanted and all she could come up with was a payment to new families and help for small business. This is good and all, but not the larger national and foreign policy announcements people wanted.
You both bear 100% of the blame each.
“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.
That word is “Nazi.” Nobody cares about their motives any more.
They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”
Are you kidding? Watching it happen in real time, it makes less sense than it ever did.
I lived in the shithole parts of the country, it made perfect sense.
Many ‘Americans’ would eat shit if they knew the smell would piss people off.
See but that’s just not making sense up close.
And it’s official now.
Well the entire multiplatform astroturfing campaign from people who call themselves leftists worked! Democrats stayed home instead of voting.
Now Palestine will be completely flattened with 0 resistance at all, and redoubled support and bombs for Israel! Way to go! You really showed your support for Palestine by helping this happen!
They will probably come back saying “it wasn’t our fault, we just pointed out the truth” while they shouted that a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide [so don’t vote for harris] from every platform that they used.
Fuck, this his hard. As a father of a gay child, and a trans child, our immediate plans are passports.
Land of the free :(
You forgot the big fat fucking asterisk.
asterisk = straight, white, hetero male of upper-middle class or grater
or grater
It still fits.
Everyone else gets the grater or meat grinder.
“Free” is used in the same way like the “Democratic” in “Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea”
*Visa. Passport won’t be enough to travel to the EU and select other countries in 2025.
EITAS isn’t a visa, and you can do it without travel plans and it lasts 3 years, tied to your passport.
As you know, we’re in a similar boat. Thankfully, we can get to Britain and stay (in theory) but the prospect of telling my elderly mother and my wife’s family goodbye for the last time, finding the money, finding new jobs with my health issues, just downsizing so that we can move…
But we are doing it.
I hope you and your family find safety and my best wishes to all of you.
Good luck, friend.
Thank you. And to you too. Good luck to all of us.
Jeez that’s sad to read. I wish you all good luck on the voyage to a less a hostile country
Get out before January if you can
Imagine being Latino in a red state.
They’ve already done it to gay and trans people. Last time the Muslim ban was foiled by the courts. Now that the Republicans control the presidency, the SC, the house and Senate, little stands in their way. Project 2025’s Schedule F will see to that.
Some states did an amazing self-own tonight, and unfortunately both teams are going to endure some severe beatings. I feel absolutely sick right now. Poor us. Poor Ukraine. Poor middle east. Taiwan is so fucking boned.
Broooo what kills me is how many Latino men voted for this!! I saw a statistic that was like 59%
Trump didn’t mean them when he said “they” were poisoning the blood of our country.
And, of course, they will never get rounded up and put in a camp. As long as they have the proper identification on them that shows they’re a citizen when checked. And the cop checking will believe that identification is both genuine and not stolen.
Imagine being Latino and trans in a red state. Those people definitely exist. I am very scared for them.
I am so fucking sorry you are in this shit and I wish you and your children good luck going forward. Sadly it seems like you will need it.
Italy has a digital nomad visa now. Cost of living is so so but if you can freelance it’s not a terrible place to live as an expat. Source: am US dual citizen living here. Feel free to pm me with any qs
She might’ve toned it down a bit since she got elected, but Meloni is a fascist too.
Yes, but Italians are incompetent (at least their government). That’s the one relief
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Yes, any criticism is just people with anger issues, that’s sorta my point guy.
Ed: also notice I get civility hits from everywhere else, the only ones that contain personal bias are yours.
Care to share an example of this? I’m all for learning and growing, and maybe we can resolve this hostility in a non-hostile manner.
Read the mod log dude, we’ve had this conversation in private chat three times.
The last strike and subsequent ban were because you disagree with an interpretation of mine. Not that it’s factually wrong, not that it’s hateful, that you disagree and thus you removed it.
Ahh. I had to scroll for a while to find it, but this was my last message on that topic:
perma ban for fighting people with the usage of misinformation.
Yes the Nazis famously led by whom? Context matters, bringing up Nazis is invoking Hitler and implying jd is literal Hitler. No, I mention that the way was already going to point out the ineptitude of your choice of date, 1938 being the most apt for your situation. The word evemy, I already offered the definition, you either lack reading ability, simply didn’t read it and you’re being wildly obtuse. We agree, why are you being a Vance right now? Ed: I’ll provide another > one that is antagonistic to another - especially : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent You*** stop an opponent you destroy an evemy***.
Opponent and enemy are the same in the goal, but not always the same in the motive. You try to beat the opponent/enemy, in the method proscribed in the actions being taken.
During WW2 but before the us entered? What a dumb question, of course but that time they were already running concentration camps. Are you implying jd Vance is literal Hitler and runs concentration camps in his backyard I guess? I sourced you the definition. I say he’s my opponent which does not imply violence, you say he is your enemy which does imply violence and you’re also berating me because I agree with you but refuse to use violent vitriolic language. Neat, logic that one out yourself.
He’s an opponent, he’s someone I stand against, he isn’t my enemy. Because when I say enemy I mean someone who needs to be removed from society by any means possible. You seem to use it as someone you don’t appreciate. Enemy: >a person who hates or opposes another person and tries to harm them or stop them from doing something: Opponent: a person who disagrees with something and speaks against it or tries to change it: I’m fairly sure by news rules calls for violence are specifically against the rules and I’m not sure why you would call for violence given that is the only difference in meaning between the two words.
Enemy (From the Oxford Learner’s Dictionary):
a person who hates someone or who acts or speaks against someone or something
In short, you twist words to your desires, and you talk down to people, insulting them, and their abilities.
I’ll be hopping another client to post full screenshots of all our discussions, as right now, I’m being painted as an ass, without context.
You’re proving my point, that’s a ban because you didn’t like interpretation, not because I violated a rule and most certainly not because it is factually wrong.
Ed: it should be noted that the context you’re arguing for is that I should violently hate jd Vance because we have different opinions and positions. He’s not my enemy, he’s an opponent. Your proving you banned me because I won’t say I violently dislike jd Vance. Come on bud, you’re smart enough to see that is bias.
The most recent conversation we had (read each image bottom-up while reading the images one at a time, from top down, because Lemmy):
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Finally, the guy you were arguing with I removed comments, for the same reason.
I had completely forgotten about this until you attacked me here.
that wont get you anywhere.
It’ll get you out of the nation.
only for a few weeks.
That’s all one needs at this point
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It will though, the US passport offers a ton of visa-free destinations. Although it’s not immigration,it definitely helps
I imagine that’s going to change. Why would anyone welcome someone who statistically was very likely to have voted for a fascist? America will never be respected ever again
You havent been respected in a long time.
Which country are you from? A respected one?
